This morning, as I was working, I got a popup notification asking me to upgrade my Mac mini (2018, running Ventura) to Sonoma. I clicked the “X” dismiss button. But Apple somehow assumed that that meant “yes, install it immediately” because 20 minutes later I got a “you must restart” notification and when I restarted, the system was running macOS 14.2.1.
Shame shame shame on you, Apple. This behavior is completely unacceptable.
That’s kind of bizarre.
I just checked to see if I can reproduce this. I have a Ventura VM running under UTM on a Mac mini m1. I powered it up and found a notification in the Notification Center to upgrade to Sonoma. I dismissed the notification like I assume you did. No auto-upgrade occurred.
I’ve also got a VM of Ventura running on a Mac mini 2014 under VMware Fusion. I’ll check to see if I can reproduce that there as well.
Here’s what I specifically did (which might be triggering a bug in their notification handler).
The notification had a pull-down menu in its lower-right corner. I clicked on the tab to expose the menu. There were two options - Install and Info. I then clicked away (not selecting either) and clicked the “X” button to dismiss the notification.
And then (apparently) the installer ran.
I’ve not done the Ventura/Sonoma upgrade, but from previous experience, 20 minutes is staggeringly quick for a major system upgrade.
That is very odd indeed. You didn’t see any black screens with the white Apple logo and a progress indicator? I’m trying to recall my experience going from Ventura to Sonoma, but I think it took a good deal longer than 20 minutes, and the machine was unusable while the update was in progress. Different computer though (MBP M1 Pro), so perhaps that was a factor?
It was 20 minutes until I got the restart notification. I assume that was the time to download the installer. After restarting, there was quite some time of black screens with Apple logos as the installation took place before I could log in again.
Ah, that makes sense then. Thanks for clearing up my confusion.
Well, this just (almost) happened to me. I got the “upgrade to Sonoma” notification, dismissed it (hovered over it until the X in a circle appeared then clicked on the X), and… the upgrade started. I immediately restarted my iMac, and it doesn’t seem to have continued the upgrade, so I’m fine for now, but that’s most annoying. And thanks @Shamino, if I hadn’t read your post I probably wouldn’t have thought about what it was doing.
I just got his. too. I’m now booted from a different drive (Ventura), which is not my main boot drive running Monterey, and I am afraid to go back to it. This is totally unacceptable. I would like to permanently disable the nags for major OS “upgrades”.
In the past, Apple’s updaters would download an installer package and launch it. You’d have to click through a few screens in order to actually install the upgrade. You could always just quit the installer before that.
But this is completely silent. No indication that anything was upgrading until you are told to restart, and at that point it’s too late to go back.
I can confirm that some kind of forced upgrade is going on.
I got the same upgrade dialog as @Shamino, and dismissed it in the same manner. LittleSnitch showed that something was downloading at full bandwidtch. I checked their Network Monitor and found that
nsurlsessiond was downloading from
updates.cdn-apple.com. I killed (-9)
nsurlsessiond, and it was immediately restarted.
After a while I checked Activity Monitor, and a process named
com.apple.MobileSoftwareUpdate.UpdateBrainService was using multiple cores and a lot of virtual memory (I think I saw 390G, but that doesn’t make sense).
I decided I’d had enough, and I didn’t want to be forcibly upgraded, so I shutdown and restarted the system. I haven’t seen
Not sure what is going on.
That’s because major upgrades are no longer treated as such. They present the exact same way as the .x updates in macOS. You just get a notification, and if you’re not very careful as to exactly what you click on, they’ll upgrade you to a new major version. On AS you can actually do a complete downgrade in such a case resulting in the exact same Mac you had before, on Intel Macs you usually cannot as they don’t give you a means to downgrade firmware.
We used to be able to silence update nagging. We used to be able to stop an update from starting.
I’ve complained about this so many times I’ve lost count. Including to Apple. But of course nothing — not that I was expecting it to lead to betterment. I’m afraid this is just another instance of Apple putting their own short-sighted marketing desires ahead of their users’ experience.
I was just able to reproduce this. I’m trying to see if setting the software update preference to automatically install macOS updates is the culprit here. It almost seems like @Simon might be on to the reason why.
Well, I concur with that sentiment. And thank you for posting your experience. As I understand subsequent posts, if I get “invited” to upgrade and then notice a lot of download activity, I should restart promptly.
I thought that I had read that Recovery offered many options to install macOS, including rolling back. Did I misunderstand? Is that no longer the case? Most pertinent to my own situation, what is the easiest path to upgrade Big Sur to Ventura (which I might actually get around to doing this year)? Thanks.
Oh I agree as well. A major version upgrade should never be done automatically, regardless of whether Apple thinks that they are “just really an update”.
There’s no argument that you can make that would convince anyone with an iota of computer experience that this is not a bug but a feature. It’s a bug, hands down.
I have “Automatically keep my Mac up to date” unchecked, then in Advanced… I only have “Check for Updates” and “Install system data files and security updates” checked. So unless the Sonoma upgrade is now considered a “security update”, it doesn’t (directly) appear related to that. Also, in the notification, I’m quite sure I only clicked on the X-in-a-circle thing, not the Options menu.
Download the Ventura installer from the App Store. Apple gives the direct link to it here:
In my case, auto-updates for the OS and apps are disabled. I have my system set to check for updates and install security responses, but explicitly not update anything else. And this was my configuration under Ventura as well:
You can wipe the system, install an older macOS release and then use Migration Assistant to put back all your stuff. But I have neither the time nor energy to do all that and be without my Mac for the better part of a day.
That’s easier. Apple maintains a page that has special magic links to older macOS installers. So you can use the Ventura link to download (via the App Store) a Ventura installer and run that. I actually did that several months ago to upgrade my Big Sur system to Ventura after Sonoma had already gone live.
You can easily find this page (if you lose the link) by searching for “macOS installers”. It was the first hit on Duck Duck Go and Google (but was the second hit after a link to Parallels Desktop when searching from Bing).
Ouch. that’s an epic fail by Apple to let a bug like this out. It’s even worse if someone intentionally coded it.
Has anyone made contact with Apple? It might be worthwhile to open a call with Apple Support and coach it as “how to I downgrade” and explain to them that “I’m only in this situation because your software decided to upgrade itself without my permission”.
I had a situation last year where macOS was mounting snapshots of Time Machine backups continually and was trying to find out if this was a bug or not. I was actually able to talk to a human and explain the situation to them. They actually took the time to call in higher level support resources. All of this and I didn’t even have an Apple Care contract… Might be worth a phone call - and if they bite, at least you get satisfaction of letting them know that there’s a pretty severe problem out there.
I have a mac that’s on Ventura via OCLP. The OCLP app popped up today and said it had discovered that I was downloading Sonoma and wanted to download something in preparation for the update. I thought the app just was buggy, so I refused. A bit later, the notification from Apple popped up. I hit the X and checked if something was going on. Nothing happened.
I wonder @Shamino @blm and @kat634e do you run as admin user or regular? I am regular and have never had the OS installed before I confirm with admin password.