Waymo Robotaxis Offer a Glimpse of the Future of Driving

Originally published at: Waymo Robotaxis Offer a Glimpse of the Future of Driving - TidBITS

In 1993, science fiction author William Gibson famously said, “The future is already here—it’s just not very evenly distributed.” Gibson’s quote applies perfectly to Waymo’s robotaxis: self-driving cars that ferry you around like a driverless Uber or Lyft.

In fact, Waymo, owned by Google parent Alphabet, is barely distributed at all right now. You can only hail a Waymo in Phoenix (where it provides service across 315 square miles), San Francisco (55 square miles), and Los Angeles (80 square miles), with Atlanta, Austin, and Miami coming soon. Even in its markets, Waymo currently operates only on city streets, not freeways, limiting its ability to handle many longer or commonly used routes.

Riding with Waymo

Evenly distributed or not, Waymo offers a clear view of the future of driving. Tonya and I spent part of the holiday break visiting my sister in the Bay Area, and she treated us and our son Tristan to a pair of Waymo rides in San Francisco that were as much about experiencing the technology as getting around the city. A decade ago, we took our first ride with a now-defunct ridesharing service called Sidecar; I was amused and somewhat chagrined to discover that our article had a roughly similar title and began with the same quote (see “Travelling to the Future, on the Internet,” 24 June 2014).

We’ve come a long way since then, but the overall experience wasn’t too dissimilar, apart from the lack of a driver. Just as we had in 2014, my sister pulled up the Waymo app and asked for a pickup, which took just a few minutes.

Waymo app showing a pickup

We happened to be at a hotel, so the only confusion was that three other Waymos were doing dropoffs and pickups in the same block. Although all Waymos look identical—they’re white Jaguar I-PACE electric SUVs—they have a dome on top that houses the sensor array (including the all-important 360º LiDAR sensors) and displays the initials of the person who hailed the vehicle. Waymo operates about 300 cars in San Francisco and said it averaged about 4300 trips per day in May 2024.

A Waymo car

The rides were essentially perfect. The car navigated San Francisco’s hilly and crowded streets with aplomb. At various times, it backed up to let an SUV in front of us back into a parking spot, paused at an intersection to let a jaywalker finish crossing, and correctly avoided a bike messenger swerving in and out of parked cars.

The app experience was as expected and much like using Uber or Lyft, albeit with buttons that let us control the music and ask the car to pull over. We didn’t try the latter, but I imagine it’s so people feel like they can always get out if necessary.

Waymo app during a trip

During the rides, we were agog, chattering about how it was fascinating to watch the wheel turn on its own, how it turned the wipers on for us since it didn’t need to see out the windshield, and how it dealt with each slightly unusual traffic situation. We also enjoyed the car’s screens, which showed our route along with real-time representations of the vehicles and pedestrians surrounding it. Thanks to LiDAR, the car could discern far more about what was happening around us than we could. I’ve driven in San Francisco a handful of times and would have found navigating the traffic conditions somewhat stressful.

Waymo screen showing cars and pedestrians

The trips to and from where we had parked our car cost $11 and $17; the difference was due to surge pricing for the second trip. A comparable Uber or Lyft ride would have been priced similarly.

Waymo Safety

Of course, Waymo is not perfect, and there have been well-publicized mistakes, such as the Waymo that drove in circles in a parking lot for a few minutes (though I wonder why the guy didn’t tap the Pull Over button) and Washington Post tech columnist Geoffrey Fowler’s complaint about Waymos not stopping for him in a crosswalk.

However, these missteps highlight an important advantage of autonomous systems: once Waymo fixes the bug that caused the parking lot circling or tweaks the system to do better with crosswalks, the entire fleet benefits from those improvements. If only teenagers could be updated so effortlessly!

It’s already doing much better than humans. A study by the global reinsurance company SwissRe examined Waymo’s road incidents across the 25 million miles it has driven and compared the number of incidents that could have resulted in a liability claim against the rate of claims by human drivers in the same cities. Waymo had an 88% reduction in property damage claims and a 92% reduction in bodily injury claims—it was involved in just nine property damage claims and two bodily injury claims, one of which was caused by a human driver who was fleeing police, ran a red light, and hit the Waymo, another car, and a pedestrian.

Waymo is expanding slowly and cautiously, probably as much from the worry about bad PR as the need to learn new environments and situations. I’m looking forward to seeing where we’re at in another decade. With luck, the technology will be far more evenly distributed, including in places with lousy winter weather.

In the meantime, if you get a chance to use Waymo in Phoenix, San Francisco, or Los Angeles, I strongly encourage you to do so. It’s magical.

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2 family members have used Waymo here in Scottsdale/Phoenix in the last few months, including airport pickups and dropoffs. Both found the service excellent, slightly slower but (for now) cheaper than the alternatives, and they thought it actually felt safer than a human driver. I suspect we will be using them regularly in the future.

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When they make mistakes, they roll out to the whole fleet, too! As with much in technology and, particularly, machine learning, the last part of getting to good enough may never be within reach because not everything improves on a curve or is solvable.

However, given my spouse and other family members have driving issues (some at night), I would love safe, affordable autonomous cabs. What Uber revealed and exacerbated is that drivers for hail or reservation are crushed in terms of making a living. Lots of different causes, but the current reality is that while taxi and gig-hailing makes revenue, it doesn’t make a survivable living for most drivers. It keeps many barely afloat.

So there’s a very human thing here compared to generative AI for art, writing, and business: it’s probably better for humanity that less people are put in a position of driving. If people were making a good living and the cost were reasonable for most people, I’d have a different attitude, for sure. But I think the middle-class cab drive is a thing of the past and most Uber drivers are under the thumb of the aglorithm.

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I easily get motion sick so I have a difficult time comprehending how excited people get about being driven around! I could never do that.

Diane

There was just a report of a Waymo vehicle constantly circling a parking lot at the airport and refusing to let the passenger out. The passenger reached out to several people at Waymo while being driven in circles before someone took control of the car and stopped this drive from hell.

Good news, Waymo said he wasn’t charged for the trip.

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We’ve been commuting with Waymo weekly in San Francisco for a couple of years now, so we have had many opportunities to compare the service with Uber and Lyft. In identical trips at the same time of day, from/to the same locations, Waymo is cheaper (beginning with the fact that you never need to tip the driver).

I won’t go into the sterling safety record, since you have already done that, Adam. But I will point out that the acceleration, turns and stops are far smoother than the capabilities of any human. Best driver ever!

The depictions of surroundings are so accurate that you can guess the breed of the dogs being animated on the screen in front of you.

One night, we had just turned into the mouth of a narrow one-way street, when the car stopped. In front, a broken limb was hanging from a Monterey Cypress, nearly down to the pavement. A human driver would have proceeded, taking the paint damage to the shop the next day. The Waymo’s dilemma was this: If it drove forward, it could strike an object; if it reversed, it would violate a traffic law. For a minute, it did both. Forward a foot, backward a foot, forward, backward, “sister, daughter, sister, daughter.”

Eventually, it chose the possibility of a sentence to traffic school and reversed out of the situation.

Every trip brings a smile.

(The name is problematic. Every clever out-of-towner thinks he is the first to make the same lame pun.)

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I linked to the guy’s video in the article. There’s no way to know for sure, but it felt to me like the guy was playing to social media. There’s a prominent “Pull Over” button that he never mentions having tried.

Yes! It was shockingly good. @dianed143, I can’t say for sure that it would be OK for you, but my sister also gets motion sickness easily, and she was fine, even sitting in the back.

I tell people that in the future, people won’t own a car, they’ll just summon a driverless car when they need it. But no one I tell this to thinks it is a good thing.

From a technical standpoint, I’m impressed, but if I’m honest, I have no desire to see any of the current Big Tech companies shooting off a new tentacle. As we’re seeing on a daily basis, they’re all terrible in myriad ways - Apple less than most, but still so disappointing - and most need to be some combination of broken up and heavily regulated.

I remember how optimistic I was in the 90s and well into the 2000s about the potential of technology and the internet to improve the world, but they’ve now been used to break the world in ways we haven’t seen in nearly a century, with no sign that they have any interest in being better (quite the opposite, actually).

If Waymo ever becomes a viable business, I hope that Alphabet is forced to divest and/or license the technology at a fair price.

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Several months ago, I had a negative encounter with a Waymo while driving in San Francisco.

Many residential streets in San Francisco are only wide enough for parking on one side plus one lane. They are not wide enough for cars going in opposite directions to pass without one car pulling into the space created by a driveway or red zone. As I was driving to a house on such a street, I saw a Waymo approaching me and pulled to the right into a gap to leave room for the Waymo to pass. The Waymo stopped in place, and it was unclear if there was enough room to pass. Another driver would have either pulled forward into a gap or just proceeded past me. However, the Waymo would not move. Since we had reached an impasse, I went forward and cleared the Waymo by a matter of inches.

Reviewing the incident, I think I should have clarified my intentions by activating my 4-way flasher and, if necessary, turning off the ignition and stepping out of the car.

Hopefully, Waymo has improved its software to handle these situations better since streets like these are quite common in San Francisco and other older cities.

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Well, here is someone who does think it is a good thing :+1::slightly_smiling_face:

I’m probably a safer driver than I was when I was young due to being more cautious and experienced, but I’m certainly not as good of a technical driver—notably, my vision isn’t as good and my reactions aren’t as quick. I anticipate age causing a further reduction in my physical capabilities such that at some point, caution and experience will no longer outweigh my physical limitations in making me a safe driver—I watched that happen with my grandparents to the point where they were forced to stop driving and rely on others for rides everywhere. I fervently hope that we have true robotaxis by then.

And while we’re no longer in this stage of life, having robotaxis available for shuttling kids around would have been fabulous 10-15 years ago. So much parental driving! I do think robotaxis will have to become commonplace before parents trust their kids to them, but I imagine most parents would be more comfortable with a robotaxi than a random Uber/Lyft driver. And of course, it will be appropriate only for kids of a certain age who can easily communicate on their own (ie, they have their own phones). I’m sure much digital ink will be spilled over issues surrounding minors and self-driving cars.

So yeah, I think it’s a very good thing.

It looks like you can report incidents like that to Waymo.

https://support.google.com/waymo/contact/feedback

Here is someone who doesn’t…

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I’m not a fan of self driving at all…there are still way too many problems and issues with the tech at this point. I’m not going to claim it will never get there…but even the best AI drivers these days still have issues. We read about Tesla FSD craning far too often still…and just yesterday there was a story about one of the, or cling the airport over and over. Yes…there was a pull over button that that guy didn’t use…but there ar just way too many situations that the AI programmers haven’t thought about but a human driver would know what to do. Not sure it was in this thread or I saw it someplace it…but the situation of a 1 way street and the branch hanging down causing forward/back repeatedly is another example. A human would either just back up, go pull the branch down, or see if it could be avoided and not scratch the paint.

Update: Zoox is now Zooming passengers on public streets.

I continue to take every opportunity to travel in an autonomous vehicle. I had some great rides with Cruise, and look forward to my first Zoox in the coming weeks.

Some observations:

  • The Cubes are not nearly as numerous as Waymo Jags (yet), but you can’t drive anywhere downtown without seeing a Zoox box or its mapper car. They’re suddenly everywhere.

  • The mapper cars are not boxes, just ordinary cars dolled up with sensors. However, Amazon chose to paint them all in a charming rainbow.

  • For now, Zoox appears to be only a corporate shuttle, driving employees between campuses/offices.

  • I expect the app to appear soon, but when you search for Zoox today, App Store returns this list: Waymo, Uber, Lyft, and…Turo. Yes, Turo.

  • I believe that Cruise will be revived by a company that buys it from GM.

  • You know that a new technology has arrived when your spell checker recognizes it. Today it knows Waymo, but you need to right-click Zoox and choose “Learn Spelling”.

A closing note: Anti-driverless anecdotes are tiresome. “I heard where Waymo had this incident… I read that a Cruise injured somebody… My wife’s cousin’s boyfriend got into a Zoox and there was a spider on the floor!”

To borrow a slogan from an 80s social movement: “We steer, we’re here, get used to it!”

But these anecdotes are interesting only because a computer is making them and because there are so few. (Self-driving cars that make a lot of mistakes don’t make them in public.)

We’re completely inured to the vast number of mistakes that human drivers make. But I seldom drive for any distance before I see a person do something that’s not ideal, unsafe, or actively illegal.

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I think Waymo (et al) is demonstrating that a computer-driven car operating in a relatively predictable, pre-mapped environment is at least as reliable as a human-driven car. But whether it’s fair to extrapolate this success onto a bigger stage as “the future of driving” remains to be seen.

The current approach does feel like a dead end to me. It relies on an intensive specifying exercise that requires constant monitoring and adjustment for road closures, changes, etc. I can’t see it ever scaling beyond very regular grid cities. Maybe I’m wrong, but so far no one seems to be taking an approach that might have a chance of generalising, so I don’t have much hope that these self-driving taxis will spread that far (or end up being cheaper than human drivers).

Of course in cities it would be much better if all this investment went into a good public transport system (potentially autonomous as in some places) and walking/cycling infrastructure. That’s a much more efficient and equitable way of moving people for these types of journeys. Where I live there’s a good bus network and it provides the freedom for the young, old, and others who can’t drive that Adam talks about above (along with taxis of course). I don’t have to ferry my son around because he can get around on his own.

I realise this might sound like I’m against autonomous driving, but I’m not at all. I think transport technology desperately needs to move forward and get away from how inefficient it is now. But the capabilities and focus of the current autonomous taxis seems to entrench current inefficiencies and inequalities without any hope of moving to a more useful model. And this is to say nothing of the fact that they aren’t being built with privacy as a foundation so using them allows some of the most rapacious companies around to track your every movement.

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While I realize you’re in London, which has some wildly squirrely driving, San Francisco isn’t exactly a regular grid city either. :slight_smile: But realistically, Waymo and other companies are absolutely building systems that generalize and scale. Every car contributes sensor data back to the system so other cars can use it, and the cars are designed to deal with on-the-ground situations. They’re far from perfect, but the rate of improvement is significant.

Also, Chinese firms are investing heavily in autonomous vehicles. Baidu is operating now in 11 cities in China, and 54 cities have pilot projects.

While there’s always a role for public transport, Brad Templeton, who does a lot of research and writing in the robocar field, has published a number of articles showing that it’s not nearly as efficient or cost-effective as it might seem, largely due to off-peak inefficiencies, labor costs, and subsidies. This Perplexity search has a summary with links to what he’s written.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/brad-templeton-research-into-p-5AZcB.fjSjy74UiApVzDGw