Beware Mail Data Loss in Catalina

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Here’s yet another reason to hold off on upgrading to macOS 10.15 Catalina—reports of data loss in Mail after updating its data store from Mojave to Catalina and when moving messages between mailboxes.

Using Mail with Gmail, IMAP always behaves a bit strangely; and Mail under Catalina does add a few more quirks. The main one I’m seeing is that a mail item moved from one mailbox to another copies rather than moving, leaving the original to be manually deleted. Annoying but not fatal— I’m not losing any mail bodies, I’m glad to say.

It’s worse than that, because you should be able to specifically target the Data volume to fix whatever problem led you to fsck in the first place, and the Mac-Enterprise list indicates that doesn’t work either. (And in theory, the read-only volume should have no such problems, so it’s there or something else entirely.)

I recommend Mail Steward for archiving emails before a major OS update. It stores emails in a MySQL database that cant be touched by the OS installation. I have emails going back over 15 years.

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No data loss here, but a different problem: out of application memory crashes when Catalina was upgrading its Mail from my Mojave installation. Running 16 GB RAM, that shouldn’t happen but with Catalina it did. Reason: I have nearly 20 years of old emails stored in mailboxes “On My Mac.” This is the first upgrade when I’ve run into the problem. I did find a work-around that I’d be glad to share if anyone wants to know, but I’m also looking for a solution that would keep some of those emails outside the Mail program without turning them into textfiles while having them ready to bring back into Mail in Catalina and future Mac OS as well.

PS: Mail Steward could be the longer-term solution I’m looking for, of course. I’ll check it out.

Wait… is this the opposite of Sherlocked when a OS upgrade makes a 3rd party app more necessary?

This app has been stewarded by Apple.

Thanks Apple.

Catalina has also introduced the issue where 3rd party programs (such as HoudahSpot or BusyContacts cannot search Apple Mail. (I have registered my view on For this reason I am researching 3rd party mail programs such as Mailmate or Postbox. Any opinions or comments on what 3rd party mail apps are worth looking at… Thanks

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I swear by InfoClick. Use it multiple times every day.

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I have to admit, I’ve never had a problem searching for mail and my email, stored in mail boxes on “on my mac” goes back decades.

What problems occur that require a 3rd party search engine for mail?


Al Varnell

    October 16

Any opinions or comments on what 3rd party mail apps are worth looking at…

I swear by InfoClick. Use it multiple times every day.

David, I agree, Mail search is very good. But I like HoudahSpot as it allows me to create a search then save it to the Finder (like a smart mailbox). I have lots of these, which I can then search for. I don’t think I can do this with Smart Mailboxes in Apple Mail (also when you have 100s of smart mailboxes it gets a bit messy!)

Thanks Al for InfoClick I’ll check this out as it appears to build its own index (so independent of Catalina’s restriction). I could not tell if it allows me to save a search to the Finder & then run the search by launching from the Finder (I’ll download the trial & test this…)

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