Fair enough, but my experience seemed to be that the “nag” only happened the first time I opened a version 14 document. If I said “not now” it didn’t nag on subsequent openings (maybe would have done after an interval as you say). I don’t think the nag experience is as bad as implied in this thread…same when it comes to subscribing, once you are using version 15s. I would encourage people to try for themselves to assess the actual experiences.
I can only tell you in my case, I have received the same nag 3 times during the past 5 days, all involving the same Numbers doc. Every time I told it no.
I’ll add that this perhaps is part of a broader theme of Apple determining that their advice (let’s for now assume good intentions) are more important than our free choice to run systems we paid for the way we want. Recall, just as an illustration, how often folks show up in places like this looking for ways to get rid of update badges and notifications to updates that leave apparently no good choice (or even end up doing the opposite of what users might expect), whereas MacOS X used to offer simply this:
I’d claim there has been somewhat of a “shift of priorities” at our favorite fruit company and so perhaps there is also, in reaction, just a reduced tolerance for prodding these days.
As an aside, it’s interesting to me that there is a related, but much broader discussion going on right now about the overall ethics and efficacy of “nudging” ever since the Thaler and Sunstein book came out back in 2008.
I have been confused with the marketing of this as a Professional App collection. Some apps are music, others video, some word apps and a number/spreadsheet app. Is this for a certain profession or Musicians or Writers or Videographers? It seems a very disparate collection. I would imagine a writer may want the pro part of Pages, but not want to pay for other parts.
I’m ok with nudging as long as there is a reasonable opportunity to make a non-default choice and the choice is respected. The common software practice of offering a choice between “now” and “later” is not really much of a choice.
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I’m using 14.4 of both Numbers and Pages and I’m yet to get a notification of an update. I’ve tried restarting them, opening new documents etc, and nothing.
Software update shows nothing of note, and the only update offered in the App Store is to 14.5. I’m guessing a move to 14.5 might trigger further upgrades, but for now I’m not bothered sticking with 14.4.
I have App Store on my Mac set to automatically update apps, and I assume it was the automatic update to 14.5 that triggered the notice on first launch.
Unless, of course, you want the subscription features, you’re not missing anything.
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The version 15s do not come as App Store updates…you have to search the store and download (or use the link in the “nag”). They are installed alongside the version 14s, not replacing them.
I broadly agree, it’s confusing to a point. The iWork suite should have remained outside this I feel.
One of the benefits of the Mac has always been the quality of the free software you got with it. The iWork suite and the iLife apps answered the core needs of most folks. All part of the intended ‘appliance’ nature. People were sold on Macs on this alone.
To introduce a paid tier to offset AI costs might seem reasonable inside Apple but it colors the impression for sure. The software world has shifted a lot, most users are confident about installing and understanding they have choice now, and there’s widespread subscription burnout too.
How many AI or ‘AI features’ subscriptions will anyone want to take on?
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I too am running version 14.4 and not getting any nag pop-ups. I tend to only update software when there is a feature that is needed or a bug is resolved or the software cannot run on my latest version of MacOS.
iWork updates to 14.5 were available for me in the App Store so I did them, figuring they will be the last update. Got the change to 15 dialog on next launch (hopefully not every launch) and a sort of sales pitch window, forgot to screen shot it, but the 2nd listed advantage of version 15: Easily add pages in Pages documents. Holy Moly, Shazam! It’s been soooo difficult to add pages til now!
Still, glad the AI stuff wasn’t forced on users of v14.x.
If I qualify as ‘anyone’: zero.
The update nag is a “feature” of the 14.5 update. If you stay with 14.4, you should be fine.
I had updated from 14.4 to 14.5 because of “This update contains bug fixes and performance improvements”, not because I was eager to be advertised to. That was apparently a mistake. I’ll make a note to remember next time Apple uses that phraseology.
I am still trying to get the essence of all the contribution. Is there a simple answer to the question “Can I keep on using the trusted “old” versions of LogicPro, FinalCut, Pages, Numbers and Keynote and forget about the Creator Studio”? I am not looking for any additional feature in any of these programmes.
Yes you can.
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It wouldn’t surprise me that in a few months or maybe a year, Apple will make Pages & Numbers only available with a Creator Studio subscription to increase their bottom line. I use Pages 8.1 & Numbers 6.1 just fine on my iMac with High Sierra.
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