You’re right…it did get updated many months ago for Catalina…but updates if it breaks are all it’s gotten since t least 2015 or so. He has zero interest in improving the program to add features users might want or need. As you noted…the sync process sorta works if the user jumps through a series of hoops and follows the manual sync process…but in 2021 a lot to most users of password managers just expect the computers to handle that for us automatically…and to make automatic backups of the data blob in case of corruption. None of that happens with PW…and none of it will ever happen because the author told me it wouldn’t. It’s his app and he’s free to write it as he pleases…but in 2021 it is far less than fully featured. It is adequate for my wife…but she only has it on her iPhone and emails herself a backup copy monthly or so…but it is not a user friendly and feature rich app. That’s all I was saying. What it does it does well…except for only manual sync…but It isn’t really any better overall than iCloud Keychain feature wise…and that’s on him…his right of course but the buck stops at his keyboard.
I’m not casting aspersions on the product…I used it myself for many years…but technology and user expectations move on…and the package hasn’t kept up and is a poor replacement if one abandons 1PW…and there’s still the one man shop issue…which is a critical shortcoming for the most important app one has after the operating system IMO. We are one heart attack or one “I would rather work on drones or whatever else he’s doing now decision away from abandonware.
See my post of August 25, 2021 (post # 45). You end up paying way more via subscription than you do with a standalone purchase. I consider subscription plans as basically just greed on the part of the vendor. To show you how this greed is proliferating, Toyota has announced it will start disabling certain features on cars you have already FULLY paid for unless you pay a subscription for the feature.
Yep. I understand the new charge will start AFTER the warranty period has expired, so I’m waiting to see when “keyless entry/start” option I FULLY paid for on our Prius will be disabled. The warranty has long expired, but so far not a peep out of Toyota.
I think they will disable remote start.
You will have to pay monthly for that privilege.
Begs the question, what else will be disabled, what could be disabled, and how much will it cost you?
I think this is a disturbing trend….
I installed Enpass on my Macbook Pro. I rarely use the laptop so have not had a lot of experience with it. Anyway…
Enpass did a great job importing my 1Password logins and software license information and was able to create appropriate categories for both.
Enpass interface is similar to 1PW so it’s easy to be comfortable with it. However, it is not quite the same as 1PW in just enough little ways to make you realize you are using a different app. I do not consider this an issue.
It supports sync’ing via Wi-Fi but I have not had a chance to test that yet. It also supports sync’ing via cloud services.
It supports browser extensions for many popular browsers. It does not support Brave which is my secondary browser.
It supports multiple vaults…not an important feature to me.
The download from the Mac App Store is free…no purchase or subscription price.
I am an existing user of 1Password (V7) and I don’t think I want to move to V8 and a subscription model (plus most of the other reasons already discussed in detail in this thread). Does anyone know if 1Password has indicated how long V7 will be supported? My guess is that it will continue to work until the next macOS at least (next fall). I have looked at Enpass, and it seems to work, but I want to postpone learning somenting new as long as I can. So, hanging on to V7 for another year would be safe? (I know, no guarantees - unless 1Password has made one?)
I’m amazed that nobody in this thread has mentioned BitWarden. I used 1PW for many years but switched to BW about 15 months ago and have never looked back. Not only is it non-subscription, it is free. You can pony up a big $10/yr if you want all of the 1PW features like compromised passwords notification, a separate vault for your spouse that contains a subset of the master vault that syncs with the master vault, etc. Actually, I’m pretty sure the second feature is included with the free version.
In any case, it is fully-featured, free or cheap, their support has been good the once or twice I’ve had a question, and they keep it upgraded as necessary. I’ve been impressed by it and am a very satisfied user with no connection to the developer. I use it on my iMac, iPhone and iPad.
I’m fairly certain it was mentioned early on. I downloaded it but didn’t like it. I can’t remember the exact reason but I recall I didn’t last long. It may not have worked with my bank or some such…
Lack of local backup has been mentioned a few times in the thread, but my understanding from this 1Password thread is that there is a local restorable cache.
Not very convenient but there in a emergency.
That thread says they are working to streamline it, and I have asked in the 1Password 8 forum for an update.
I don’t think they’ve said…because the answer will just anger their users even more.
My guess is that after v8 is released there will be no more updates to v7…there might be compatibility updates for macOS or iOS updates…but with their clear pivot towards enterprise customers and away from individual users…driven IMO by their VC investors outsized influence even if Dave Teare says that they are still in control…I wouldn’t bet on it. OTOH…thee haven’t been any macOS or iOS required updates to v7 in the past couple of years…so it might work a long time.
I don’t like subscriptions either…but from the company’s POV I can see why they are attractive…more revenue, more stable revenue over time… but killing stand alone licensing is dumb for them IMO…they’re forcing users into it. But the biggest issue for me anyway is no local backups…yeah, there’s the cached thing that supposedly will rebuild the server side blob of the server and all their backups fail…and I’m sure they’ve taken pains to adequately backup and mirror their datacenter…but that simply is unacceptable to make it impossible for a user to backup and restore a copy of their own data. This capability exists in v7…and the lack of including it in their new and rewritten front end was a deliberate decision on their part…and their ‘we are investigating letting you run your own server’ is either a lie or aimed at enterprise clients with an IT department to run database servers…it isn’t going to be easy or automatic for individual users.
That statement on their site is pure fabrication…unless they’re comparing it to previous builds of v8…it is an existing v7 feature.
That isn’t a backup to me…a local backup is something the user can either schedule or do manually and store a complete copy of the data to be restored if needed. Calling the local SQLLite or whatever the database is local copy a backup because it gets copied by Time Machine…and we (well, me at least) don’t know if Time Machine works correctly on an in use open database file…is disingenuous at best and a lie at worst.
V7 does this perfectly…it makes a complete copy of the encrypted file daily to a location of the users choice and can also be done manually. Removal of this already existing capability is a deliberate user hostile decision on their part. Even if forcing a subscription…making a scheduled full copy of the data using whatever combination of the master password and secret key is pretty trivial…even a non program like me can see that for a software engineer that would be easy if management wanted to do it. The fact that they aren’t…so far…interested in doing it speaks volumes about how much they care about individual users.
FWIW, I still use 1P v6 on my M1 Mac running MacOS 12.1, and it works as it did, with the exception that the Safari integration no longer connects. In other words, you should be able to run 1P V7 for a while…
You obviously understand far more about 1P than I do, but I had the impression from the thread I linked (and the one linked in that) that the local backup process you describe in 1P7 only applies to standalone vaults not 1Password.com. For subscription accounts (which I am very happy with) 1P7 and 1P8 are the same, and a long way short of what you need.
My needs are more straightforward and I am OK with the Time Machine backups of the cache. I do also export a .1pif file, and an all items PDF from time to time as protection against armageddon, but expect I will have bigger things to worry about if that happens. (I put the .1pif and all items PDF in an encrypted disk image).
EDIT not sure I can do the all PDF thing in 1P8, have to ask.
I don’t use the full set of 1Password features - I mostly let Safari plug in passwords for me. 1Password is like a database for me - to organize my passwords, look up passwords and generate new strong passwords. I will hang on and see how long it works - my guess is that I will be safe until at least next fall.
I do understand why developers like the subscription model - they can’t support software without income. But, I do think they need to provide a “purchase” option. I have a developer friend selling image editing software in the iOS and macOS App Stores - and he is planning a move to a subscription model, but will keep a (significantly more expensive) “lifetime” purchase option. I think that is the right approach and would be happy to use the purchase option. I think 1Password could do that too.
1Password is offering me a half-price three year subscription - I clicked the option button but they don’t tell you how much it is going to cost until you actually create and account - so I exited. The subscription models make a lot of people unhappy - but then the developers don’t handle the transition very well either.
