Originally published at: 1Password 8.10.39 - TidBITS
Fixes a pair of low severity vulnerabilities and provides a few enhancements. ($35.88 annual subscription, free update, 4.8 MB, macOS 10.15+)
When will the Apple Password app be out? I CANNOT WAIT to stop using 1Password. But my subscription renews in September! Ughā¦ Hopefully it will be later in August when Apple releases it.
Why are you waiting? Appleās Passwords app will just break into a standalone app the features that are already present in System Settings > Passwords? Which I covered in:
I donāt understand why you want to stop using 1PWā¦it does so much more than what Appleās Password app will do that I canāt conceive it being a worthwhile replacement at this point. Maybe eventually it will achieve feature parity and be a viable alternativeā¦but as of today itās simply too limited for what most people tend to keep in 1PWā¦thereās a reason all those other capabilities exist in 1PW.
I understand the āI donāt want to pay for another subscriptionā thingā¦but penny wise pound foolish. Unless one only keeps website passwords in itā¦one would lose those other capabilities and current Apple offerings do not replace them.
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I agree. The āpenny wise, etcā applies here. Subscription software is not all bad - particularly when are paying for enhancements and security updates. Programmers donāt work for nothing, although many people think they should.
Because the UI, UX, billing, customer service (the absolute worst for years), and cost all totally stink. I only keep using it because there was no alternative I could easily jump to. So I used Apple along with it. Now that my Apple Password is almost a math, time to kill off this dog of a product forever.
Yes, I know but, the UI to get to it and interact inside System Settings is obfuscatory and miserable for users seeking simplicity (in contrast to how, usually, it is easy to use as an integration with Safari). I think having it as an app makes much more sense and should have been this way from the start. Why the heck was it stuck in System Settings any way for user interaction? It is just a UI thing but still could have the integration ā if that was the engineering purpose ā being in the system but allow the user to work in it as a bigger adjustable window UI, quicker app UI/UXā¦ which is probably what they are now finally doing anyway! Just oddā¦).
But I will look at your article about moving sooner in anticipation of cancelation.
I used to update software every couple of years. It worked much better. If there was an issue, it could be updated, for free. I have found no advantage to non stop subscription at all. If anything, it brings on more frequent bugs and unwanted change. Even if it is wanted, with a purchase every few years, you could read about the change, see how it impacts the older versions and files. Allowing you or your company or students (and even the developer) time to adapt.
Subscription is just a way for companies to make us the beta testers and suck your money from you sooner versus every few years, so they invest it and make profit from those investments instead of you!
Capitalism is a two way street. I abandoned all my subscription software for up and coming alternatives that are not subscriptions. Sadly, a couple of those got bought by bigger company and, now charge. So I am moving on again to alternative non subscription.
I am willing to pay for storage, back up, and media subscription because, it is (mostly) not software. But even that, only to a point. If Apple Music goes up, and offers no lower rate for retired or disabled people on fixed incomes, I am out. If the lousy password software does not get better, and the price goes up, and I have a free alternative already, I am out.
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Obviously youāre not utilizing the full capabilities of 1PWā¦if all youāre saving is website passwords then Appleās app is probably sufficient. Howeverā¦itās new and I would not recommend shifting to a new and untried solution just yet. A lot of its code probably comes over from keychains or Keychain Access or the passwords section in Safariā¦but the new app needs maturation before you trust it I believeā¦because the password manager is arguably the most important software you use.
I agreeā¦the UI in v8 isnāt as nice. Cost is actually pretty minimalā¦and it provides the easy ability for a lot of additional functionality over Apple Passwordsā¦categories, Secure Notes, an offline backup capability which Apple may or may not have, multiple vaults, shared vaults, etc.
Youāre correctā¦support isnāt as good as it used to be because their venture capital owners are more interested in profits than individual users and are forcing a business model switch to focus on enterprise customersā¦and thereās nothing wrong with that. I considered switching myself to something elseā¦but the fact is there is no feature equivalent alternative that doesnāt have all the same drawbacks (subscription, vault location, etc)that 1PW does. I am staying with v7 for now and if it ever breaks then I will have a decision to make but I use all of those categories and am not willing to lose them. YMMV.
As noted in other repliesā¦devs donāt work for free and while I would prefer not to be forced into the subscription model I can understand why companies do it.
I would totally rely on the Apple Password app, and even as a 1Password user, I tend to save everything in my iCloud Keychain too.
The issue with Apple Password Management is that its platform specific. I manage a team account for work and we have Mac, Windows and Linux devices. Until Apple can provide reliable cross-platform password management I will stick with 1Password.
FWIW, Apple passwords do sync to windows if you install iCloud for windows.
I wonder if theyāll ever do anything for Linux. Though what I donāt know is if you can access synced passwords on iCloud.com, as Iām using advanced data protection and canāt check.
When I went to updates, It had an update to 8.10.40. NOT 8.10.39.
Donāt understand āCapitalism is a two way streetā. The problem is that too many people expect to pay once for software, then have it work forever. That is not a sustainable model. Programmers have families, like to eat, pay the rent, etc. Updating software for new operating systems, new security challenges, and new features takes time, concentration, and effort. I WAS a programmer of custom software for quite a while, and while my contract was specific upon what would be delivered, I had no end of users asking for updates for a new OS, new features, new back-up options, new input options, yet did not want to pay for them - even years after the original purchase. For them, I was not supporting the software. I am not in this business any more - havenāt been for years, and still get requests for ācourtesyā upgrades. Iām out too - people are just too cheap!
Suscriptions are a way of guaranteeing a revenue stream for the software developers, and insuring an up-to-date product. If that is not forthcoming, buy something else, but donāt expect it for free.
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Yes, there are always more updates. 8.10.40 is too minor for us to cover.
And please, letās not continue beating the dead horse of subscriptions versus permanent licenses. Nothing new has been said there in years.
I know, Iām an outlier and have had 1Password for years. I did the trick with syncing my vault to my iCloud, when AgileBits decided it was moving to Subscription-only. I think Iām still at version 6.8.9 on Mac and 7.x on my iOS device. When I considered just going subscription, I felt cheated and extorted that now all my pwds were in a vault I had pay for annually. Was I wrong? Sure, its best app for what it does, and we need more than ever. My workplay uses and forces on us, Lastpass, which I dislike and has seen numerous breaches. So what is one to do?
Well, my Firefox updated the plugin and its READ ONLY in a warning now. Shows updated recently (August) so I reverted back to the July version. Weāll see.
My concern is, my fear to move to latest and paid sub, I have an older vault and has anyone tips on the conversion? And with Apple Passkeys, will there be an import? Will that lock me in to Apple? I may just back up the vault but for those on future fixed incomes, I think an app like 1Password is not only crucial, it canāt be costly. Conundrum indeed.
All of the vaults that store passkeys are working on an import / export scheme, but itās not available yet. Thatās said, it shouldnāt be a problem : just create a new passkey for each site if you decide for some reason to move from one platform to another.
As for migrating an older 1Password standalone store to the new subscription vault, absolutely. 1Password explains what to do here: Migrate your existing 1Password data from standalone vaults to a 1Password account
I should add that 1Password has a very good export and import scheme that other password apps support. Iāve tried out BitWarden and moved all of my passwords and notes from 1p to BitWarden, with the exception of the two passkeys I have in 1p so far. I had to tweak a few things (I have several 1p vaults now and had to convert those to tags to make them easier to find in BitWarden) but it was pretty seamless otherwise. (Iāve decided to stay with 1p myself.)
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Thanks Doug!
One note is that 1Password still works for me, however its the browser plugin that is Read Only - with last plugin update. I reverted back two versions and now the Read Only - click to purchase message is gone. (On my first cup. I should never post without coffee!)
1Password version 8 keeping passwords in the Cloud is an instant turn off for me. Enpass has a local vault option, and license option, and looks somewhat similar to 1Password. Most of the other password options look ugly or are limited in features. I wish there was an easy, good choice.
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āVenture capital ownersā is all you need to know. It seems that when tech companies are owned by actual techies, we get reasonable prices, good customer service, and sometimes even native apps. When tech companies are owned by VCs, we get high-priced subscriptions, ever-decreasing product value, crummy customer service, and ham-handed wrapped apps. Canāt wait for a better product to usurp them
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I hesitated to chime in with my regular (and entirely genuine) promotion of Strongbox, which I now use. Polished as 1Password? No. But really, I couldnāt be happier, and I really do think 1Password (7) refugees will be especially happy to make the jump. Ironically youāll want 1P v8 to do this, for the migration. I have a few months of my final subscription left, but I wasted most of it, after migrating. Highly, highly recommend.