Monitor for new M4 Mac mini

Ah, I think this is becoming clearer (no pun intended). The computer my MBP replaced (to which I have the 4K monitors attached) was a late 2013 27" iMac. It’s native resolution is 2560x1440. That’s the same as what I’m currently using on my LG 4K monitors, so they look great to me.

So it’s likely I’ve never seen a 5K screen (at least not a 27" one). If I did, I might say “What was I thinking? This is so much better!”. But for now, ignorance is bliss. :slight_smile:

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After getting burned badly when I bought the original 17-inch 2001-2004 LCD/ACD Apple Studio Display which lasted only about three years, I find it hard to justify the high price of Apple displays.

However, 20 years after that fiasco, what determines my display choice now is avoiding eyestrain (i.e. headaches), which I do by using a Dell 27-inch 4K display set at the default 1920 x 1080. My aging eyes are much happier with large type on a large screen than getting the full resolution possible.

That “1440p” resolution on a 27" panel (without scaling) produces the same 110 ppi that Apple optimizes their UI for.

Running a 4K screen at an effective 1440p resolution produces the same size, but with non-integer GPU scaling (hence GPU load and fuzziness issues reported by some).

… And that means you’re using 2x retina scaling, so there’s a sharp image with minimal GPU overhead. And if your eyes are comfortable with the larger objects (due to an effective 82 ppi), then it’s a win all around.

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Does anyone remember when Steve Jobs said, on stage at some keynote, that Apple thinks the optimum ppi is 100? I think he was introducing a Powerbook with a 100 ppi resolution. It would have been after OS X came out.

This is why it bugs me that at some point they started releasing computers with displays at a higher PPI than 100. It makes everything look smaller than it should be. And, it is no longer WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get), because if you compose a document and then print it, the text on the printed copy is larger than what you saw on the display.

For example: the display on my 2013 MacBook Pro is 3456x2234 at 254 ppi. At the default 2x Rentina, it is still 127 ppi, which is a lot smaller than 100. It is even nowhere near 110.

Sure, I can get a more reasonable resolution through fractional scaling. But that’s not the point. They’re producing devices which resolutions that are non-optimal for macOS.

Yes, but remember another Jobs quote: “Real artists ship”. Idealism needs to make way for what people want to buy.

A 15" laptop screen at 100 ppi would be 1311x737 pixels - slightly larger than 720p. Even at 110 ppi, that would still only be 1443x811.

And looking at actual products, my 11" MacBook Air’s screen is 1366x768 (135 ppi).

How many people would want to use such a laptop? Most applications are optimized for more pixels than that and would not behave well on such a screen. My 11" Air is a perfect example - I need to disable all kinds of toolbars on my apps in order to have enough usable space for document content. And quite a lot of web pages end up covering half the screen with advertisements, menus and toolbars. It’s not a pleasant experience.

A comfortable 1080p screen at 110 ppi would be a 20" screen - larger than anybody would ever want in a laptop.

Again, idealism needs to take a back seat to what people will actually buy. And if you think it makes UI elements too small for comfort, that’s why display scaling exists.

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Jonathan, I replaced the Thunderbolt cable between my Mac M2 mini and Studio display about 3 days ago and so far I have not seen any of the previous blackouts or system problems. The new cable is from OWC. Thank you for your suggestion!

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Reading the links to the Amazon reviews in this article convinced me to get the base Apple Studio Display, which Amazon is currently discounting by $300:

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Asus and Benq have new 27" 5K monitors out now/soon. Attractive for me as I need built-in ability to pivot into portrait. Matte display would be great too.

I’m in the UK so I’m not sure when they’ll reach these shores. Edit: Benq will be Feb 2025 in Europe. Asus still TBC but they are promoting it already.

Asus ProArt Display 5K PA27JCV

Benq PD2730S|27" 5K 98% P3 Thunderbolt 4

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I bought a Studio display (base model) earlier this year. The first was defective and had to be returned but I’m extremely happy with the replacement. FWIW.

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Review of BenQ’s 27” MA270U and 32” MA320U 4K monitors:

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Interesting - I thought it was common knowledge that 4K was suboptimal for Mac user interface scaling, hence the need for 5K. Indeed, they say:

In my experience, the native 3,840 x 2,160 resolution made text too small to read comfortably for any length of time

Also at 90-degree pivot 4K is too narrow (equivalent to 1080px) for most Mac apps.

But if Benq’s 5K is these but bigger I’ll be happy

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Not quite. macOS is optimized for about 110 pixels-per-inch (or an integer multiple of this on retina displays - 220 or 330 ppi).

A 4K monitor with a 16:9 aspect at 110 ppi would be 40" (diagonally). At 220 ppi, it would be 20". Either would look good, but most people today would consider a 20" or a 40" widescreen monitor to be either too small or too large.

A 27" screen with 4K resolution would have about 160 ppi, which requires non-integer scaling to produce what most consider a comfortable size UI, which imposes a non-trivial load on your GPU (and may affect GPU-intensive software like video processing or gaming).

Showing my work (the math)
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This is it. I see you’re agreeing with me

Also worth noting by using a non-native scaling you’re losing real estate and will fit less on screen.

As I said …suboptimal.

I think you’re missing something here.

A 5K screen with 2:1 scaling produces an effective resolution of 1440p. A 4K screen with 1.45:1 scaling also produces an effective resolution of 1440p. If these two screens are the same size (e.g. 27"), then both will have the exact same “real estate”. Objects on the two displays will be the same size and you will be able to put the exact same content on each.

The 5K screen image will be sharper (because there are more underlying pixels) and there will be a lower load on the GPU (because of integer scaling), but that’s the extent of the differences.

And also note that the scaling/resolution that looks “best” is always a matter of personal preference. The fact that Apple designs its UI for a particular size (110 ppi) doesn’t mean everything else objectively looks bad. It’s still a matter of what you like.

For example, the display I’ve been using for 20 years is a 24" 1200p (1920x1200) display. It has a resolution of 94 ppi - 16% lower than what Apple ships - but I think it looks great. If I would replace it with a 24" 4K display (184 ppi) and apply 2:1 scaling (effective 92 ppi), I have no doubt that it would also look great, and with sharper text, even though it’s “too low” based on some ideal metrics and “too small” according to people who like bigger screens.

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Sorry, that paragraph referred to native scaling of a 4K display. I typed non-native by mistake. Corrected above.

You’re right. That’s a pretty big difference, at least in my use. Not quite as much as going from non-retina to retina (call it blocky to smooth), but close (call it blurry to sharp).

Apparently it is now available for $800.


UPDATE Thursday, February 13, 2025 11:01 AM

Here’s another review but it’s mostly a video (as opposed to text, which I prefer) and I don’t think that it introduces any new observations, evaluations, or recommendations.

Still no sign in Great Britain. There are some for sale by they’re imported from Hong Kong or Korea. So I’m just going to wait.

Benq say February. Asus probably similar given that we’re already half way through January.

Another 5K due “March”

ViewSonic VP2788-5K

  • has 75Hz refresh (the Benq and Asus are 60hz)
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MacRumors review:


UPDATE Wednesday, February 19, 2025 4:10 PM

Comments on Benq PD2730S and several links to comments on other recently introduced 5K monitors:

https://mjtsai.com/blog/2025/02/18/benq-pd2730s-5k-display/

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The Benq has been delayed in the UK.