8 posts were split to a new topic: Dealing with Sequoia upgrade nagging
This Talk summary was a bit too confusing for my old brain. Oh well. I updated my iPad mini. It seems to be the only thing affected.
FWIW: I have an Intel MBP (2019), and was running Sonoma. I did update to Safari 18.1.1.
However, at that point, it appeared my MBP would stop running often/frequently, and I was forced to restart “due to a problem detected”.
At that point, I figured it would not do harm (and might help) to update to Sequoia 15.1.1, so I did perform this update.
After updating to Sequoia 15.1.1, the MBP seems to run well consistently.
Not really sure if my update action really fixed the underlying problem (not running consistently, forcing multiple and frequent restarts) or not, but I thought I would mention the story in this thread.
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All I know is what I read in the linked article. It says
It’s important to note that this problem does not affect USB3 enclosures
So my guess is you will be OK.
Thanks for pointing that out. Much appreciated.
I am now able to see 17.7.2, having checked several times over the past few days, swiped up and down around 18.1 offer, gone out again, then in again twice, and THEN 17.7.2 is at the bottom. You have to really really want it and insist. SE 3rd gen.
Dear all,
Based on your experience and advice (which I trust more than most other sources) I updated to the latest sequoia on both my Mac and my wife’s, which is the same model. She wasn’t having any problem even up until now, and the update hasn’t disrupted anything, and works fine. On mine, however, some things seem to have corrected themselves, most importantly, my emails seem to now arrive both to recipients as well as to me. But I still have a problem on my end, although I receive emails successfully, I can’t easily find them in my inbox. They often end up in one of the extra mailboxes I’ve created. And I still have a problem with FaceTime: it won’t work on either my Mac or my phone. That’s a PIA, but no catastrophe.
So thanks a lot for all your help and patience.
My iPhone 13 is currently running iOS 17.7.1. Software Update is offering me both 17.7.2 and 18.1.1.
Off-topic, or maybe just sideways-topic.
Same here. My question is why iMazing didn’t offer either one. Any thoughts?
I’ve never used iMazing to update my phone, so I don’t know the answer to this question.
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As is the case now with Apple’s move to a new system every year and only “supporting the current 3” macOS, we are left with questions. Why is macOS 13 being left un-patched? Is it immune to any of these vulnerabilities? Or is Apple just ignoring the oldest of the “supported” systems as they have done repeatedly in recent years? Is iOS 16 immune, or does it carry any of these vulnerabilities? How do we know until and unless Apple decides to push a patch?
Until then we get the usual silence from the company that controls the system, software and hardware.
Security has become a real nightmare. In casual discussions, I find more and more people are just not updating out of frustration, confusion or having had a “bad” experience. When I ask to see what version they are running, it is often MANY versions behind even the current for that major system.
While I agree that security patches should be applied ASAP, they sometimes come with unexpected downtime and problems that may not be easily solved. Simply “getting the latest version” is not always the answer (or possible) for a multitude of reasons.
Safari 18.1.1 is available for macOS 13 Ventura to address these vulnerabilities. Given that Apple can and does update the two previous versions of macOS for security fixes, I presume the company feels that’s sufficient.
We don’t, but we also don’t know all the details about how Intel-based Macs were targeted to evaluate whether iOS 16 is likely to be vulnerable. Nor does anyone know anything about every other unknown vulnerability. And even if the details were shared, few people would understand them or be able to make informed decisions based on the information.
I long ago made peace with the fact that not everything can be known or needs to be known, especially when it comes to security updates. I just install them as soon as it’s convenient and move on with my life.
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Have you actually had security violations?
This is mostly deliberate I’m sure. If Apple publicized the exact nature of some security issues, it would also publicize exactly how to exploit them, likely before users had a chance to fully patch. I think that it’s possible that the more details they share - even whether Ventura is vulnerable or is not - may be enough to give enough information to exploit it.
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In response to the 3 replies above, I actually do understand these points and (mostly) agree, although I forgot the Safari detail (thx Adam). I was being a bit whiny to be fair. 
I should have said, “Managing security has become a real nightmare.” However, my observation about people being multiple versions behind is true. I cannot speak to the percentage or demographics with accuracy, but I come across that issue more frequently than I should. Sometimes it is user choice, but sometimes not (ie. macOS failing to update XProtect, etc.)
But that mostly leans into the “support of ‘older’ Apple hardware” topic, which Apple loosely defines as 3+ years old. So, I guess we need to use a different scale than “dog years”? 