1Password 7.4

Originally published at: https://tidbits.com/watchlist/1password-7-4/

Maintenance release for the password manager with some improvements and a healthy dose of bug fixes. ($64.99 new, free update, 50.8 MB)

Thanks Agen. Version 6 still going strong here on El Capitan and Mojave.

Alec, have you either refused to upgrade to Safari 13 or gone to another browser? Safari 13’s security features basically assassinated 1Password Mini

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Safari 13 doesn’t affect users before High Sierra or Mojave. Even on Mojave here (one multimedia computer out of five work computers I personally use) I have Safari 12.1.2. I block 1PasswordMini and don’t use any of the 1Password cloud features. Cloud sharing of passwords we use Bitwarden which is $12/year for personal use and $2/month per user for teams. There’s even an enterprise version at $3/month which allow on-premise hosting. All of this is much more attractive than 1password’s extortionate $8/month per user for teams (four times more expensive: 1password basic business is not nearly as powerful as Bitwarden’s teams version, no groups for instance) or even $36/year for personal account. The only decent value in cloud version from 1password is the family account at $5/month but that pricing has not been steady in my opinion. Since my family in this case would be two people (the under contingent don’t have their own password vaults) that plan is not particularly good value.

1password is one of the companies who has used subscription and cloud services as a way to really fleece their customers. It’s a pity as once upon a time they were one of the good guys when they were a growing and not greedy company.

I still use perpetual license 1Password 6 very actively with local sync (literally, with my flash drive, it’s automatic) for material I don’t want in the cloud (banking, credit card info, etc).

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Alec, thanks for that. Your long response makes clear what your short 1PW 6 “endorsement” did not, that you’re no longer (for entirely justifiable reasons, as you clearly demonstrate) in Agile Bit’s target market. I’ve skimmed a recent PC World online review that is similarly disparaging of 1Password’s evolution from a breakthrough product to one that may be too much living off its laurels, and I think that’s not widely enough known, particularly in the Apple ecosystem market (although I have to say I’m impressed how well Agile Bits seems to have been able to slip password posting into iOS and integrate it with Face ID).

And, as you’ve said, 1PW for families probably is reasonably priced.

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At this point. Reluctantly.

1password has chosen to abuse its users. My point is that the standalone license (which 1password desperately try to hide and avoid selling) can actually be useful, for those of us who are legacy 1password users. The other point is that there are reasonably priced alternatives which work just as well or better than 1password. I have a team of twenty-five people on Bitwarden and we have literally zero issues with the product/service. All the browser extensions work well, the sync works perfectly.

The only caveat about Bitwarden (which applies to most of the password managers, we chose a replacement carefully) is that as it’s a US-based company it’s liable to the Patriot act and subsequent privacy-destroying legislation. 1password is Canadian-based so theoretically they are not liable to that legislation. On the other hand, with the existence of Five Eyes and the general aggressive stance of the US alphabet soup agencies regarding any tool which could provide a user any privacy, it’s unclear if 1password have been able to resist pressure to allow backdoor access from the authorities.

Interesting… unfortunately I have been lax about FINALLY going with a real password manager… Keychain and google have been doing a somewhat passable job, although it’s my apple id password outside the browser that I seem to always have to enter manually. ny references between LastPass or Dashlane? My needs are pretty simple and I’m a totally lone wolf!

I have used 1 Password but some time ago shifted to Dashlane. It’s good- not perfect and they have good support.

In contrast to the purple prose in some of the posts above, I think that AgileBits is a good company doing good work. I know the founders and the CEO fairly well and have talked with them on numerous occasions. We also used to work with them on Joe Kissell’s Take Control of 1Password book.

Like many other companies these days, they chose to move to a subscription model for sound business reasons with monthly recurring revenue versus spiky upgrade revenue. Nevertheless, they still do offer standalone licenses for both upgrades and for new purchases. Because standalone licenses aren’t the focus anymore, they’re not running a standard download store; it’s all handled in the app itself:

Those were both the top hits in Google searches on things like “upgrade/buy standalone license for 1Password 7” so they’re easy to find.

All that said, although Tonya, Tristan, and I use 1Password for Families for shared passwords (and they both use it for their own stuff), I personally rely more on LastPass because I prefer its behavior with automatically filling and submitting passwords on Web sites to the workflow that 1Password uses. My understanding from Joe’s Take Control of Passwords is that Dashlane and others will also get the job done, so there’s plenty of room for personal preference. Without getting mean.

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Michael Tsai just posted about how Enpass is moving to a subscription model as well, while Secrets is not.


And he has some interesting back and forth on AgileBits getting $200 million in VC investment.


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Adam, I see you cut and pasted AgileBits’ standard reply to those who object to customers who object to their new business model. So, I’ll do the same What follows is my letter to Dave Teare.


*I’ve been using 1Password since version 2 (or 3) and liked it from the beginning. *

However, Agilebits has been moving marketing targets in probably more lucrative directions. Those of us who use 1Password for simple, secure password storage are being left behind. I do not need the advanced features of 1Password 7. I’ve paid for each upgrade through 1Password 6 and find paying an annual subscription for features for which I have no need unreasonable.

I suggest you use two revenue streams: one for your customers with greater needs, and another using the old model for those with simple needs.

I don’t want to leave Agilebits. Please reply.

The reply, not from Dave, was in so many words, tough. Acquisitiveness.

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To be clear, I didn’t copy and paste anything—I was just explaining the situation as I see it.

It sounds like Secrets might be a good option for you, since its developer seems intent on keeping it simple and not following a path of corporate growth.

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Adam, I didn’t mean to imply that you are somehow “in cahoots” with AgileBits, only that your language mirrored the response I received. I apologize for not being clear and putting your reputation in jeopardy.

Thank you for suggesting Secrets.

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No worries—just like to make sure there are no misapprehensions that I’m carrying water for AgileBits, which was also why I clarified that I personally use LastPass more.

It’s interesting watching AgileBits, since they’ve been tremendously successful, and that brings a completely different set of tensions with it than those that less-popular developers have to deal with. Success isn’t easy.