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upgrading to High Sierra with User folders not on startup volume

Zac Imboden-2

I have a Mac Pro (Mid 2012) Tower with a non-standard configuration. I've used "Advanced Options" under "Users and Groups" to specify a different drive for my User folders. They are located, not on the startup drive but on a separate 1TB SSD drive. I'm a bit concerned about how upgrading to High Sierra might disturb this configuration.


I've had a few (horrible) problems getting this configuration working correctly in the past, Not to mention upgrading to Sierra. I'm considering just giving up the ghost on a separate drive for my User folders and just consolidating everything on the 1TB SSD, but I'm not sure how to proceed with that consolidation. If anyone has this sort of configuration and has upgraded to High Sierra, it would be great to hear about their experience, or if they have any words of wisdom about installing High Sierra on the non-startup drive that already contains my User folders.





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Re: upgrading to High Sierra with User folders not on startup volume

Neil Laubenthal
I haven’t done it…but unless there’s a lot of user folders then I would do it like this.

1. Copy the user folders to the standard /Users location.
2. Delete the user account and select not to delete the user data.
3. Recreate the user with the same userid and when it complains about a pre-existing user folder tell it to just use the existing one vice creating a new one. That will fix the permissions on the existing folder for the new account.

There might be a way in Advanced Options to tell it to use the boot drive that would move it and fix the permissions but I’ve not looked at that.


On Oct 2, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Zac Imboden <[hidden email]> wrote:

considering just giving up the ghost on a separate drive for my User folders and just consolidating everything on the 1TB SSD, but I'm not sure how to proceed with that consolidation


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Re: upgrading to High Sierra with User folders not on startup volume

James R Cutler
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Zac,

An in-place upgrade should not affect your user definitions. However, I can not recommend continuing to a home folder on a separate local drive and volume. Mount timing at login can cause difficulties in accessing the home folder, including creation of a substitute home folder on the boot volume. For the least hassle, consolidate volumes after you have good tested backups and before the next OS upgrade. I use Carbon Copy Cloner because it is my favorite and can be used to copy a directory tree, retaining all metadata including ownership and permissions.

1. If you don’t have a backup administrative user account, create one — no iCloud or other setup.
2. Log in to the Administrative user and change the other User folder definitions to the boot volume.
3. Safety step — Login to each affected account to ensure that each of these accounts now have a working but empty /User/shortusername folder. 
4. Safety step — In Finder, check /Users to confirm results of step 3.
4. In Finder, modify Separate to contain a /Users folder and move user folders to be consolidated to the new /Users folder on Separate to exactly mimic the structure on the boot volume
5. Use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy “Selected Folders” by selecting the user home folders on Separate. This will copy each selected home folder 

/Volumes/Separate/Users/shortusername to /Users/shortusername

with all ownership and permissions intact.

On Oct 2, 2017, at 7:43 PM, Zac Imboden <[hidden email]> wrote:

I have a Mac Pro (Mid 2012) Tower with a non-standard configuration. I've used "Advanced Options" under "Users and Groups" to specify a different drive for my User folders. They are located, not on the startup drive but on a separate 1TB SSD drive. I'm a bit concerned about how upgrading to High Sierra might disturb this configuration.

I've had a few (horrible) problems getting this configuration working correctly in the past, Not to mention upgrading to Sierra. I'm considering just giving up the ghost on a separate drive for my User folders and just consolidating everything on the 1TB SSD, but I'm not sure how to proceed with that consolidation. If anyone has this sort of configuration and has upgraded to High Sierra, it would be great to hear about their experience, or if they have any words of wisdom about installing High Sierra on the non-startup drive that already contains my User folders.



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Re: upgrading to High Sierra with User folders not on startup volume

Rodney
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On Oct 3, 2017, at 06:23, gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:


I'm  considering just giving up the ghost on a separate drive for my User
folders and just consolidating everything on the 1TB SSD, but I'm not
sure how to proceed with that consolidation.

I used to do that, but gave up on it when journaling pretty much
prevented the OS from occasionally eating the boot partition.  Now I let
Users stay on the boot disk, but direct most data to a big shared or
external disk.  Things like iTunes  and Photos can be told where their
libraries live, some other things can be forced with symbolic links or
(less reliably) aliases.  Small things like Desktop I don't worry about
since the boot drive also gets backed up.

Same here. I have a 500GB SSD in my iMac, but I also have a Drobo. The SSD is plenty big enough for all my apps, home directory, emails, etc. I told iTunes and Photos to put their libraries on the Drobo, and it works in a supported way without resorting to hacks and symlinks. The bits and pieces that iTunes leaves on my SSD are insignificant. I also store bulk data, such as web sites I work on, on the Drobo, and tell Dreamweaver where they are. No symlinks are required.

This is a painless system to maintain and support. I feel sorry for those who bought a 256GB, or even a 128GB SSD, because they seemed to have to resort to kludges to make stuff work. I personally feel that anyone who buys a disk smaller than 500GB for their main disk is being “penny wise and pound foolish”, but I realize that my feelings are subjective, and much would depend on each person’s supply of pennies and pounds.

The only time I ran into a problem was that maybe a year ago I’d turned off my Drobo during a system upgrade and forgot to turn it back on before booting. When iTunes started, it didn’t see my library where I’d said it was, so it quietly created a new one on my SSD and downloaded a bunch of podcasts to it…

I also have symlinks between my main DropBox folder and other folders, including folders on my Drobo, that I want synced to the cloud. When I do an OS upgrade, I always make sure that the Drobo is turned off, but I always forget to disable DropBox. As a result, I quickly get an email from DropBox mentioning that I’ve apparently deleted N thousand files, where N is a large positive integer. Once I reboot after turning on the Drobo, DropBox finds my files again, and all’s well.



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Re: upgrading to High Sierra with User folders not on startup volume

Zac Imboden-2
In theory, Apple could sell nice little System Hard Drives that you would just plug into a port and boot. Like buying a hardware version of High Sierra. That way, they could do the optimization and let me store *my* stuff wherever I want without ever worrying about (or paying extra for) a large enough system drive. I'm in my situation because I wanted a fast boot-up/application performance on a SSD drive and I couldn't afford the largest SSD option out there to accommodate system files and also all my User folders. Being able to specify a non-startup location for a User folder seemed like a good idea at the time, but Spotlight does not honor this setup. It often shows search results for files in a User folder that is NOT the currently logged in user.


On October 3, 2017 at 9:06:27 AM, Rodney ([hidden email]) wrote:


On Oct 3, 2017, at 06:23, gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:


I'm  considering just giving up the ghost on a separate drive for my User
folders and just consolidating everything on the 1TB SSD, but I'm not
sure how to proceed with that consolidation.

I used to do that, but gave up on it when journaling pretty much
prevented the OS from occasionally eating the boot partition.  Now I let
Users stay on the boot disk, but direct most data to a big shared or
external disk.  Things like iTunes  and Photos can be told where their
libraries live, some other things can be forced with symbolic links or
(less reliably) aliases.  Small things like Desktop I don't worry about
since the boot drive also gets backed up.

Same here. I have a 500GB SSD in my iMac, but I also have a Drobo. The SSD is plenty big enough for all my apps, home directory, emails, etc. I told iTunes and Photos to put their libraries on the Drobo, and it works in a supported way without resorting to hacks and symlinks. The bits and pieces that iTunes leaves on my SSD are insignificant. I also store bulk data, such as web sites I work on, on the Drobo, and tell Dreamweaver where they are. No symlinks are required.

This is a painless system to maintain and support. I feel sorry for those who bought a 256GB, or even a 128GB SSD, because they seemed to have to resort to kludges to make stuff work. I personally feel that anyone who buys a disk smaller than 500GB for their main disk is being “penny wise and pound foolish”, but I realize that my feelings are subjective, and much would depend on each person’s supply of pennies and pounds.

The only time I ran into a problem was that maybe a year ago I’d turned off my Drobo during a system upgrade and forgot to turn it back on before booting. When iTunes started, it didn’t see my library where I’d said it was, so it quietly created a new one on my SSD and downloaded a bunch of podcasts to it…

I also have symlinks between my main DropBox folder and other folders, including folders on my Drobo, that I want synced to the cloud. When I do an OS upgrade, I always make sure that the Drobo is turned off, but I always forget to disable DropBox. As a result, I quickly get an email from DropBox mentioning that I’ve apparently deleted N thousand files, where N is a large positive integer. Once I reboot after turning on the Drobo, DropBox finds my files again, and all’s well.


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Re: upgrading to High Sierra with User folders not on startup volume

@lbutlr
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Agreed. I did this when I first went all SSD and it was a mistake.instead what I’ve done is offload my 900 GB iTunes and my 80GB photo library and my 340GB Dropbox folder to a second drive.

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> On Oct 2, 2017, at 19:33, James R Cutler <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> However, I can not recommend continuing to a home folder on a separate local drive and volume.




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