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David Nuss
Hello!

Am considering getting an iPod Touch as an alternate iOS device for use here in Europe, where we are staying now. We cannot use local apps from the country App Store on our existing iOS devices unless we switch our account to this location, which is something like an 11-step process that also requires re-downloading all your iOS content if I recall correctly. Seems an absurd process to use a few local apps.

So… if I buy one here I’m concerned it would be preinstalled with iOS 11, which we don’t want to use. Anyone know if you buy an iPod Touch with iOS 11 installed if it can easily without dodgy tactics be reverted to iOS 10.x?

I ask because some weeks ago I downloaded from Apple an iPhone .ipsw update for 10.3.3 so I could update a family member’s iPhone on return from extended overseas travel.

The download refused to verify upon opening, whether connected via a US VPN location or European location.

Still, I put it in the right folder in the Library and tried to update with internet turned off. Didn’t work.

Went ahead and downloaded via a US VPN location from the computer to be used, instead of from my Mac.

Still it would not work. I tried to point to the file when clicking in iTunes and found iOS 11 was in the appropriate Library folder and the 10.3.3 had been moved to the trash. Deleted the iOS 11 file and moved the 10.3.3 back to the Library. Still would not work.

So…

Is there a trustworthy online source for iPod Touch with iOS 10.x?
Alternatively any ideas where I’m going wrong with the 10.3.3 update?

Many tips o’ the thank you hat,
dn


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Re: revert iPod touch to iOS 10.x?

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On Dec 17, 2017, at 23:48, David Nuss <[hidden email]> wrote:

We cannot use local apps from the country App Store on our existing iOS devices unless we switch our account to this location, which is something like an 11-step process that also requires re-downloading all your iOS content if I recall correctly. Seems an absurd process to use a few local apps.

I’m not sure what “local apps” you might be referring to. I’m in Paris, and have no problem using the US App Store. I can find and download the French apps I want, such as apps for the Paris Métro and the train system, without any problems. Apple seems to think that home is where the bank is, and my Apple ID is linked to my US bank. I’ve never found a reason to switch to the French store.



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Re: revert iPod touch to iOS 10.x?

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Hi Dave, although Ronnie just gave you a very good answer, I’m not sure if that it applies to you. Just in case that it wont fit your situation, there is an informal group at [hidden email] whichit’s for people who want to sell/buy Apple products among themselves, it is a very trusty site, but as in any other internet place, it’s up to you how to approach it.

Hector

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Hello

Is there a trustworthy online source for iPod Touch with iOS 10.x?
Alternatively any ideas where I’m going wrong with the 10.3.3 update?

Many tips o’ the thank you hat,
dn


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Re: revert iPod touch to iOS 10.x?

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On 17 Dec 2017, at 15:48, David Nuss <[hidden email]> wrote:
> if I buy one here I’m concerned it would be preinstalled with iOS 11, which we don’t want to use. Anyone know if you buy an iPod Touch with iOS 11 installed if it can easily without dodgy tactics be reverted to iOS 10.x?

There is no way to install any version of iOS previous to 11 on a device with iOS 11 on it. In fact, there is no way to install ANY previous version of iOS on any device with a later version. For example, if you have 11.2 on a device, you cannot install 11.1.

Even if you could, the 10.3.3 installer is no longer being authorized by Apple for any device that can run iOS 11. (This normally happens with a week or two of the newer version being released, less for point releases), so no device that can run iOS 11 can be updated to any version but the current version of iOS 11.

For the record, we downloaded all sorts of apps in Europe. The only one that we were going to get that didn't sow up in the US App store was a tour map app for Tallinn, but there was another one that was in the US app store.

Transit apps for London, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Eurostar, etc all were in the US App store. My wife had a folder of city-specific apps for every city we were in.

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Re: revert iPod touch to iOS 10.x?

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> My wife had a folder of city-specific apps for every city we were in.

That is, she had a folder for each city, and each folder had city-specific apps. Many in each folder.

(rejseplanen, CityMaps2Go, 4 apps named "Toronto", Copenhagen, Copenhagen Map, Tallinn, Estonia, Helsinki Guide, Helsinki, Helsinki Metro, Eurostar, Stockholm (2 apps), Linjekartor, Brussels (2 apps), Amsterdam (3 apps), London Pass, Maps & Guide, Moop's GVB, Thalys, etc etc etc.)

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Re: revert iPod touch to iOS 10.x?

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Thanks Rodney: 

On 18. Dec 2017, at 18:00, [hidden email] wrote:

On Dec 17, 2017, at 23:48, David Nuss <[hidden email]> wrote:

We cannot use local apps from the country App Store on our existing iOS devices unless we switch our account to this location, which is something like an 11-step process that also requires re-downloading all your iOS content if I recall correctly. Seems an absurd process to use a few local apps.

I’m not sure what “local apps” you might be referring to. I’m in Paris, and have no problem using the US App Store. I can find and download the French apps I want, such as apps for the Paris Métro and the train system, without any problems. Apple seems to think that home is where the bank is, and my Apple ID is linked to my US bank. I’ve never found a reason to switch to the French store.

I followed a link on a German web site that opened the App Store in iTunes on my iPhone. I tapped to install the app and after maybe 20 seconds a message popped up saying I needed to change my account to the German App Store in order to download the app. I’ve looked that process up before and it’s long and cumbersome. Tried the same on my Mac and got the same message, would not download/install unless I changed my account to be in Germany.

It may have to do with Apps that are only offered in one store, ie ‘local apps'. I do have apps from German developers, ie weather apps, that make those apps available in the US iTunes store. Those I’ve downloaded and installed. The app that inspired me to write is only in the German iTunes App Store.

On a side note, years ago UK friends sent us an iTunes gift card… in pounds. So we couldn’t use it without changing our account to be based in UK.

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Re: revert iPod touch to iOS 10.x?

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> On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:53 AM, David Nuss <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I followed a link on a German web site that opened the App Store in iTunes on my iPhone.

You can manually search the US store for the same app and probably find it.

They just linked to the German store one, but that doesn’t mean it’s not available on other stores.


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Re: revert iPod touch to iOS 10.x?

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On Dec 18, 2017, at 20:53, David Nuss <[hidden email]> wrote:

I followed a link on a German web site that opened the App Store in iTunes on my iPhone.

Did you try ignoring the link and searching for the app by name in the US store? I’ve found quite a few very local French apps, such as apps for home food delivery services and a local shopping mall, on the US store.




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Re: revert iPod touch to iOS 10.x?

David Nuss
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Hi Hector, thanks for the links!

@ibutlr;
> There is no way to install any version of iOS previous to 11 on a device with iOS 11 on it. In fact, there is no way to install ANY previous version of iOS on any device with a later version. For example, if you have 11.2 on a device, you cannot install 11.1.

Darn!
>
> Even if you could, the 10.3.3 installer is no longer being authorized by Apple for any device that can run iOS 11. (This normally happens with a week or two of the newer version being released, less for point releases), so no device that can run iOS 11 can be updated to any version but the current version of iOS 11.

Ack!

When we did get the family iPhone here in Germany, initially iTunes offered to update it to 10.3.3, then moments later it changed to offering 11 (and had put the 10.3.3 installer in the trash), I should have tried that without the internet connection to see if it worked.

So… you’re saying the iPhone on 10.1 is stuck there and cannot be further updated? that would be sad because there must be some useful security or other fixes in 10.2 and 10.3. We’ve already decided not to go with 11 or any later iOS updates. And the phone that needs updating was abroad with slow and unreliable internet for many months. Grr!
>
> For the record, we downloaded all sorts of apps in Europe. The only one that we were going to get that didn't sow up in the US App store was a tour map app for Tallinn, but there was another one that was in the US app store.

Which iTunes store did you use for those apps? the US one in $? or you changed iTunes to the local iTunes store and purchased in local currency?

> Transit apps for London, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Eurostar, etc all were in the US App store. My wife had a folder of city-specific apps for every city we were in.

good idea!

This is the process we don’t want to go through in order to use a few apps we could benefit from, which are only in the German iTunes App Store: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201389

It seems to assume that when people go to another country they cut all ties, and change banking and all that as well. We still have US bank accounts as well as local bank accounts. We don’t want to change all our Apple services and products to Germany. No need to, we still use English, and buy things all over the place.

I can use my US PayPal to buy something in UK or Germany in pounds or euros, for instance. Why can’t, in 2017 the iTunes store manage to do that? (rhetorical, I don’t want to change the subject of the thread)…

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Re: revert iPod touch to iOS 10.x?

David Nuss
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Hi Hector, thanks for the links!

@ibutlr;
> There is no way to install any version of iOS previous to 11 on a device with iOS 11 on it. In fact, there is no way to install ANY previous version of iOS on any device with a later version. For example, if you have 11.2 on a device, you cannot install 11.1.

Darn!
>
> Even if you could, the 10.3.3 installer is no longer being authorized by Apple for any device that can run iOS 11. (This normally happens with a week or two of the newer version being released, less for point releases), so no device that can run iOS 11 can be updated to any version but the current version of iOS 11.

Ack!

When we did get the family iPhone here in Germany, initially iTunes offered to update it to 10.3.3, then moments later it changed to offering 11 (and had put the 10.3.3 installer in the trash), I should have tried that without the internet connection to see if it worked.

So… you’re saying the iPhone on 10.1 is stuck there and cannot be further updated? that would be sad because there must be some useful security or other fixes in 10.2 and 10.3. We’ve already decided not to go with 11 or any later iOS updates. And the phone that needs updating was abroad with slow and unreliable internet for many months. Grr!
>
> For the record, we downloaded all sorts of apps in Europe. The only one that we were going to get that didn't sow up in the US App store was a tour map app for Tallinn, but there was another one that was in the US app store.

Which iTunes store did you use for those apps? the US one in $? or you changed iTunes to the local iTunes store and purchased in local currency?

> Transit apps for London, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Eurostar, etc all were in the US App store. My wife had a folder of city-specific apps for every city we were in.

good idea!

This is the process we don’t want to go through in order to use a few apps we could benefit from, which are only in the German iTunes App Store: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201389

It seems to assume that when people go to another country they cut all ties, and change banking and all that as well. We still have US bank accounts as well as local bank accounts. We don’t want to change all our Apple services and products to Germany. No need to, we still use English, and buy things all over the place.

I can use my US PayPal to buy something in UK or Germany in pounds or euros, for instance. Why can’t, in 2017 the iTunes store manage to do that? (rhetorical, I don’t want to change the subject of the thread)…

dn


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Re: revert iPod touch to iOS 10.x?

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> On Dec 18, 2017, at 21:42, David Nuss <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> It seems to assume that when people go to another country they cut all ties, and change banking and all that as well.

That is totally not true. I have used the US iTunes Store for as long as there has been an iTunes Store, and as long as I link the store to my US bank account with a US mailing address I have had no problems.



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David Ross
To be honest the biggest headache in trying to allow people to have
accounts in multiple countries are the laws of each country. And I can
see Apple and everyone else having to come up with rules for each "pair"
of countries you want to use. And more than 2 countries? Oy vey.

Look up things like GDPR plus countries that require all data about
their citizens to stay "in country". Now figure out how to determine who
is a citizen of what and how to special case people with passports from
more than one country.

A friend was at a GDPR conference last August in Dublin. It can get ugly
very quickly for a company operating in multiple countries if they want
personal data to cross borders.


On 12/18/17 4:06 PM, Rodney wrote:
>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 21:42, David Nuss <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> It seems to assume that when people go to another country they cut all ties, and change banking and all that as well.
> That is totally not true. I have used the US iTunes Store for as long as there has been an iTunes Store, and as long as I link the store to my US bank account with a US mailing address I have had no problems.
>
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Re: revert iPod touch to iOS 10.x?

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On 18 Dec 2017, at 13:42, David Nuss <[hidden email]> wrote:
> So… you’re saying the iPhone on 10.1 is stuck there and cannot be further updated?

No, it can be updated to iOS 11.2. Soon it can be updated to iOS 11.2.5. Presumably at some point in the fitter it will be able to update to 11.3.

I cannot be updated to 10.2 or 10.3 or 10.3.3.

> that would be sad because there must be some useful security or other fixes in 10.2 and 10.3.

There are critical fixes in 10.2, 10.3, 10,3,3, and 11.2

> We’ve already decided not to go with 11 or any later iOS

Then you are going to have problems.

> Which iTunes store did you use for those apps? the US one in $?

Yes.

>  or you changed iTunes to the local iTunes store and purchased in local currency?

Nope, I had no way to do that, not having any accounts or credit cards in Euros, pounds, Krone, etc.

> This is the process we don’t want to go through in order to use a few apps we could benefit from, which are only in the German iTunes App Store

Just because you got a link to the german store does not mean the app is only available in the German store. Most apps are available in the IS store.


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Re: revert iPod touch to iOS 10.x?

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> To be honest the biggest headache in trying to allow people to have accounts in multiple countries are the laws of each country.

Not really. If you have a bank account with a local billing address in a country, you can have an account there.

> And I can see Apple and everyone else having to come up with rules for each "pair" of countries you want to use. And more than 2 countries? Oy vey.

Nope.

What you often get is region locked media. Some companies are more serious about this than others. There have been many occasions where I’ve tried to look at a “Saturday Night Live” clip and gotten a message that says that the content provider has not made the clip available in my area. I’ve been unable to watch Amazon videos I’ve downloaded previously, but I have no problem watching Amazon Prime videos, in English, using the Amazon Apple TV app even though my Amazon Prime subscription is with Amazon in France. This has absolutely nothing to do with the app store I use.

> Look up things like GDPR plus countries that require all data about their citizens to stay "in country”.

That’s data, not apps. Based on my admittedly quick reading of the Wikipedia page, it is talking about server farms. It does not say that an EU resident has to be in the EU in order to access their data.

> Now figure out how to determine who is a citizen of what and how to special case people with passports from more than one country.

Nobody is going to try. I registered with the French social security and tax people, got my login and password, and that’s it. Applying to be a legal resident was a separate process, and nobody cares how many passports I have.

> A friend was at a GDPR conference last August in Dublin. It can get ugly very quickly for a company operating in multiple countries if they want personal data to cross borders.

We’re talking “bulk data”, such as the iTunes user database. This has nothing to do with individual users connecting to their accounts or downloading apps, wherever they may be.




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Re: revert iPod touch to iOS 10.x?

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> On 19 Dec 2017, at 05:29, Rodney <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>
>> To be honest the biggest headache in trying to allow people to have accounts in multiple countries are the laws of each country.
>
> Not really. If you have a bank account with a local billing address in a country, you can have an account there.

Or where iTunes cards are available you could set it up with an ‘address’ and a Gift Card. I haven’t needed to setup another account recently so I can’t test that.

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> On Dec 19, 2017, at 13:22, Fearghas Mckay <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Or where iTunes cards are available you could set it up with an ‘address’ and a Gift Card. I haven’t needed to setup another account recently so I can’t test that.

I’ve heard of people using gift cards as a way of getting US content outside of the US, but I have not tried it.



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On 19 Dec 2017, at 05:35, Rodney <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I’ve heard of people using gift cards as a way of getting US content outside of the US, but I have not tried it.

I have sent US gift cards (well, the codes) to friends in the UK in the past.

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