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Tori Hernandez
Hello: I have just begun working with Quicken 2017 and I realize now that the files including the backups are kept in the application support folder in the library.

I don’t want my files embedded in the library.
Can I move my file to another location of my choice without consequences?

Thank you

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Re: quicken file location

Al Varnell
On Oct 27, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Tori Hernandez wrote:
> Hello: I have just begun working with Quicken 2017 and I realize now that the files including the backups are kept in the application support folder in the library.
>
> I don’t want my files embedded in the library.

Strange, but OK.

> Can I move my file to another location of my choice without consequences?

Why not just move it and find out? You can always move it back if not.


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Re: quicken file location

Tori Hernandez
Strange? That the files are automatically installed in the Applications Support folder in Library?

Yeah. Why wouldn’t the quicken file just be in the document folder? Or in any folder that I choose?

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On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:01 PM, Al Varnell <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Oct 27, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Tori Hernandez wrote:
Hello: I have just begun working with Quicken 2017 and I realize now that the files including the backups are kept in the application support folder in the library.

I don’t want my files embedded in the library.

Strange, but OK.

Can I move my file to another location of my choice without consequences?

Why not just move it and find out? You can always move it back if not.


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Re: quicken file location

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On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:01 PM, Al Varnell <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don’t want my files embedded in the library.

I have my Quicken file embedded in an encrypted .dmg disk imag (for extra security)e in my DropBox/ It works flawlessly. This should work in your Documents or wherever you like. Try it.

Alex




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Re: quicken file location

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I know in earlier versions you could set the location in Quicken preferences. I think it still works in 2017.



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From: Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]>
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Subject: quicken file location

Hello: I have just begun working with Quicken 2017 and I realize now that the files including the backups are kept in the application support folder in the library.

I don’t want my files embedded in the library.
Can I move my file to another location of my choice without consequences?

Thank you

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Re: quicken file location

Michael Bloch
Hi Toni!  I , too, have been working hard to move all my Q2007 data to Q2017.  Especially since the older program is still a 32 bit affair.  It may not work with the next system update.   I checked out your assertion that the data file is indeed in the folder you stated.

It is possible to change the location of both backups and data.  

In Quicken 2017 have your data file open and displayed then go to the File menu and choose Move to… . This command will place the data file anywhere you want.  I assume the file in the Library folder is untouched.

For backups, select Preferences then the General tab.  The very last button at the bottom of the window Backup Folder.. will allow you to save the backups where you want.

I hope this is helpful.

Mike Bloch

On Oct 28, 2017, at 11:07, Betty Fellows via TidBITS-Talk <[hidden email]> wrote:

I know in earlier versions you could set the location in Quicken preferences. I think it still works in 2017.



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Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 8:04 PM
Subject: quicken file location

Hello: I have just begun working with Quicken 2017 and I realize now that the files including the backups are kept in the application support folder in the library.

I don’t want my files embedded in the library.
Can I move my file to another location of my choice without consequences?

Thank you

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Re: quicken file location

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On Oct 27, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Hello: I have just begun working with Quicken 2017 and I realize now that the files including the backups are kept in the application support folder in the library.
>
> I don’t want my files embedded in the library.

Just so I understand, what is the drawback in having them there?

Thank you,

David




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Re: quicken file location

Tori Hernandez
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Hmm. 2017 or 2018? 
Did you leave the backups in the application support folder? I assume when quicken installs in 2018 it installs in applications support as well. 

Tori
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On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:01 PM, Al Varnell <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don’t want my files embedded in the library.

I have my Quicken file embedded in an encrypted .dmg disk imag (for extra security)e in my DropBox/ It works flawlessly. This should work in your Documents or wherever you like. Try it.

Alex



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Re: quicken file location

Tori Hernandez
Hi Mike. Thank You for this info. I shall try it. 


Tori
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On Oct 28, 2017, at 8:23 PM, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hmm. 2017 or 2018? 
Did you leave the backups in the application support folder? I assume when quicken installs in 2018 it installs in applications support as well. 

Tori
415 272-1944

On Oct 28, 2017, at 6:50 AM, Alexander Forbes <[hidden email]> wrote:



On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:01 PM, Al Varnell <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don’t want my files embedded in the library.

I have my Quicken file embedded in an encrypted .dmg disk imag (for extra security)e in my DropBox/ It works flawlessly. This should work in your Documents or wherever you like. Try it.

Alex



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Re: quicken file location

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Having docs that one has created shouldn’t be included into system folders. 

Tori
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On Oct 28, 2017, at 7:46 PM, David Brostoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Oct 27, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello: I have just begun working with Quicken 2017 and I realize now that the files including the backups are kept in the application support folder in the library.

I don’t want my files embedded in the library.

Just so I understand, what is the drawback in having them there?

Thank you,

David




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Re: quicken file location

Al Varnell
That’s not at all a System folder. It’s in your Home folder.

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On Oct 29, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Having docs that one has created shouldn’t be included into system folders. 

Tori
415 272-1944

On Oct 28, 2017, at 7:46 PM, David Brostoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Oct 27, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello: I have just begun working with Quicken 2017 and I realize now that the files including the backups are kept in the application support folder in the library.

I don’t want my files embedded in the library.

Just so I understand, what is the drawback in having them there?

Thank you,

David




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Re: quicken file location

Tori Hernandez
Ok. I misspoke. What I meant is that any files/docs that one created should be located in the DOCUMENTS folder- not in the “library>application support” folder. 

Tori
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On Oct 29, 2017, at 10:23 AM, Al Varnell <[hidden email]> wrote:

That’s not at all a System folder. It’s in your Home folder.

Sent from my iPhone

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On Oct 29, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Having docs that one has created shouldn’t be included into system folders. 

Tori
415 272-1944

On Oct 28, 2017, at 7:46 PM, David Brostoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Oct 27, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello: I have just begun working with Quicken 2017 and I realize now that the files including the backups are kept in the application support folder in the library.

I don’t want my files embedded in the library.

Just so I understand, what is the drawback in having them there?

Thank you,

David




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Re: quicken file location

Al Varnell
I have nothing against your desire to organize your files as you see fit. If you prefer to have the Quicken database in your Documents folder, that's perfectly reasonable. But when you make a statement that way you did, it sounds like you believe that Quicken (formerly Intuit) and / or Apple need to follow such a rule and that's where some of us seem to disagree. 

I'll first point out that all of the mail you created is located in your /Library/Mail folder and there are a few other examples of this with other apps. Apple has been encouraging developers to limit the proliferation of files and consolidate them in designated locations, in part to make removal much easier for the user. They pretty much accomplished in App Store apps by forcing developers to include all active files within the app itself and only allowing persistent documents produced by those apps to be located elsewhere. But not all apps can function under those rules, so the Application Support folder was designated as the preferred location for most auxiliary files needed by the app in you Application folder. Although Apple has not yet made it mandatory to include database files there, it's certainly an option for that developers are within their rights to choose, and as mentioned earlier, several others do just that.

My Quicken 2011 database is in my Documents folder, but only because of legacy versions of Quicken that go back probably a couple of decades, way before there were Application Support folders.

-Al-

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Ok. I misspoke. What I meant is that any files/docs that one created should be located in the DOCUMENTS folder- not in the “library>application support” folder. 

Tori



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Re: quicken file location

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Piling on to Al's comments, many people think that the document folder is "theirs" to do with as they see fit. Toss them out, rename them, whatever. Microsoft also ran away from putting things there as users would screw up their Office contacts and mail plus other bits all the time. So they moved their persistent files that the App creates for you into the ~/Library folder.

I'm betting Quicken did it for similar reasons.

On 10/29/17 6:31 PM, Tori Hernandez wrote:
Ok. I misspoke. What I meant is that any files/docs that one created should be located in the DOCUMENTS folder- not in the “library>application support” folder. 

Tori
415 272-1944

On Oct 29, 2017, at 10:23 AM, Al Varnell <[hidden email]> wrote:

That’s not at all a System folder. It’s in your Home folder.

Sent from my iPhone

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On Oct 29, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Having docs that one has created shouldn’t be included into system folders. 

Tori
415 272-1944

On Oct 28, 2017, at 7:46 PM, David Brostoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Oct 27, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello: I have just begun working with Quicken 2017 and I realize now that the files including the backups are kept in the application support folder in the library.

I don’t want my files embedded in the library.

Just so I understand, what is the drawback in having them there?

Thank you,

David




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Re: quicken file location

Tori Hernandez
In reply to this post by Al Varnell
Yes. Just my thoughts and my method. I’ve been using quicken for many years too and actually had it in another location other than documents folder. That was an example of another location. And I’m aware of location of mail emails. 

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On Oct 29, 2017, at 7:24 PM, Al Varnell <[hidden email]> wrote:

I have nothing against your desire to organize your files as you see fit. If you prefer to have the Quicken database in your Documents folder, that's perfectly reasonable. But when you make a statement that way you did, it sounds like you believe that Quicken (formerly Intuit) and / or Apple need to follow such a rule and that's where some of us seem to disagree. 

I'll first point out that all of the mail you created is located in your /Library/Mail folder and there are a few other examples of this with other apps. Apple has been encouraging developers to limit the proliferation of files and consolidate them in designated locations, in part to make removal much easier for the user. They pretty much accomplished in App Store apps by forcing developers to include all active files within the app itself and only allowing persistent documents produced by those apps to be located elsewhere. But not all apps can function under those rules, so the Application Support folder was designated as the preferred location for most auxiliary files needed by the app in you Application folder. Although Apple has not yet made it mandatory to include database files there, it's certainly an option for that developers are within their rights to choose, and as mentioned earlier, several others do just that.

My Quicken 2011 database is in my Documents folder, but only because of legacy versions of Quicken that go back probably a couple of decades, way before there were Application Support folders.

-Al-

On Oct 29, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ok. I misspoke. What I meant is that any files/docs that one created should be located in the DOCUMENTS folder- not in the “library>application support” folder. 

Tori


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Re: quicken file location

John Baldauf
Has anyone found where the iOS library app "overdrive" keeps its files?  And if it is then possible to access them copy them to another platform? 

The  Audiofilesync organization provides 2 free copyright protection free audiobooks each week to encourage summer reading, primarily by teens. When you download them, it uses overdrive to store them. But I haven't been able to find a file utility that access them

John

On Sunday, October 29, 2017, Tori Hernandez <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yes. Just my thoughts and my method. I’ve been using quicken for many years too and actually had it in another location other than documents folder. That was an example of another location. And I’m aware of location of mail emails. 

Tori
415 272-1944

On Oct 29, 2017, at 7:24 PM, Al Varnell <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;alvarnell@mac.com&#39;);" target="_blank">alvarnell@...> wrote:

I have nothing against your desire to organize your files as you see fit. If you prefer to have the Quicken database in your Documents folder, that's perfectly reasonable. But when you make a statement that way you did, it sounds like you believe that Quicken (formerly Intuit) and / or Apple need to follow such a rule and that's where some of us seem to disagree. 

I'll first point out that all of the mail you created is located in your /Library/Mail folder and there are a few other examples of this with other apps. Apple has been encouraging developers to limit the proliferation of files and consolidate them in designated locations, in part to make removal much easier for the user. They pretty much accomplished in App Store apps by forcing developers to include all active files within the app itself and only allowing persistent documents produced by those apps to be located elsewhere. But not all apps can function under those rules, so the Application Support folder was designated as the preferred location for most auxiliary files needed by the app in you Application folder. Although Apple has not yet made it mandatory to include database files there, it's certainly an option for that developers are within their rights to choose, and as mentioned earlier, several others do just that.

My Quicken 2011 database is in my Documents folder, but only because of legacy versions of Quicken that go back probably a couple of decades, way before there were Application Support folders.

-Al-

On Oct 29, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Tori Hernandez <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;torih9@me.com&#39;);" target="_blank">torih9@...> wrote:

Ok. I misspoke. What I meant is that any files/docs that one created should be located in the DOCUMENTS folder- not in the “library>application support” folder. 

Tori


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Re: quicken file location

Al Varnell
I believe all associated documents must be stored within the iOS app and to access them you need to ask Apple: "iTunes 11 for Mac: Transfer files between your computer and mobile apps" 

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On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:53 AM, John Baldauf wrote:
Has anyone found where the iOS library app "overdrive" keeps its files?  And if it is then possible to access them copy them to another platform? 

The  Audiofilesync organization provides 2 free copyright protection free audiobooks each week to encourage summer reading, primarily by teens. When you download them, it uses overdrive to store them. But I haven't been able to find a file utility that access them

John



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Re: quicken file location

Kim Gammelgaard
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I was always confused with all the files piling up in MY documents folder, where I thought my documents should go, not some strange mixture of program stuff. I made a second layer with documents that I made an alias of in the Finder sidebar many years ago to avoid the confusion. 

But it really hurts explaining to people where to put their stuff, as Apple is supposed to be easy. 

Best regards

Kim

Den 30. okt. 2017 kl. 04.09 skrev David Ross <[hidden email]>:

Piling on to Al's comments, many people think that the document folder is "theirs" to do with as they see fit. Toss them out, rename them, whatever. Microsoft also ran away from putting things there as users would screw up their Office contacts and mail plus other bits all the time. So they moved their persistent files that the App creates for you into the ~/Library folder.

I'm betting Quicken did it for similar reasons.




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Re: quicken file location

Brian L. Matthews
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On 10/29/17 8:09 PM, David Ross wrote:
> Piling on to Al's comments, many people think that the document folder
> is "theirs" to do with as they see fit. Toss them out, rename them,
> whatever.
I've seen that, but I've also seen people who only back up their
document folder, as that's where they store all their documents, so
that's all they need, right?

> So they moved their persistent files that the App creates for you into
> the ~/Library folder.

I agree with cache files and things like that going under ~/Library, but
my Quicken file is a document file, just like a Word doc. By stuffing it
in some out-of-the-way place that I'm not supposed to look (~/Library is
hidden by default) it's easy to overlook when, say, doing backups to a
location where you want to limit the backup size (like a cloud backup
where you pay by the byte). And if someone wants to delete Quicken but
save their data in case they decide to reinstall, but clean up after it,
so they delete ~/Library/Applications Support/Quicken 2017... Oops. Or
someone who's savvy enough to run something like AppCleaner but doesn't
realize one of the locations it suggests deleting is where their
financial data is stored...

Brian


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Re: quicken file location

Tori Hernandez
Thank you Brian. My point exactly. 

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On Oct 30, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Brian L. Matthews <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 10/29/17 8:09 PM, David Ross wrote:
Piling on to Al's comments, many people think that the document folder is "theirs" to do with as they see fit. Toss them out, rename them, whatever.
I've seen that, but I've also seen people who only back up their document folder, as that's where they store all their documents, so that's all they need, right?

So they moved their persistent files that the App creates for you into the ~/Library folder.

I agree with cache files and things like that going under ~/Library, but my Quicken file is a document file, just like a Word doc. By stuffing it in some out-of-the-way place that I'm not supposed to look (~/Library is hidden by default) it's easy to overlook when, say, doing backups to a location where you want to limit the backup size (like a cloud backup where you pay by the byte). And if someone wants to delete Quicken but save their data in case they decide to reinstall, but clean up after it, so they delete ~/Library/Applications Support/Quicken 2017... Oops. Or someone who's savvy enough to run something like AppCleaner but doesn't realize one of the locations it suggests deleting is where their financial data is stored...

Brian


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