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iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X

Ira Gold
Any comments about iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X (other than cost)?

We are replacing (don't laugh) a several year old flip phone that our carrier has informed
us is so old that the next time they update their network our phone will stop working.

The phone is used for an occasional call and receipt of text messages when needed (such as
validation to access the carrier’s web site and our account).

But we aren't opposed to getting with the times and getting a real phone with apps and such.  :-)

Thanks in advance.

Ira.




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Re: iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X

Marc Zeedar-2

> On Jan 25, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Ira Gold <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Any comments about iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X (other than cost)?

My initial thought is to recommend the X. It's just a little bit bigger than the 8 (and much smaller than +), but has a screen the size of the 8+. The camera tech is fantastic and I *love* FaceID.

I upgraded from a 7+ so I'm used the bigger screen, but I find I use the X more than I did the 7+. Something about the all-imersive screen just makes it feel bigger.

I work from home so I have my 12.9" iPad Pro and the phone next to me and I can choose which to use for tasks... and I find myself picking up the X much more often than I did the 7+. (It's a lot lighter than the big iPad!)


> The phone is used for an occasional call and receipt of text messages when needed (such as validation to access the carrier’s web site and our account).

But when you say this, an 8 or X is probably overkill. For your minimal needs, an older model would work just as well. I wouldn't go as far back as a 6, and a 6S is probably questionable (maybe 1-2 years before Apple stops supporting them). But a 7 would work and you might be able to get a really good price on one.

However, since you obviously like to keep your phones for a long time, an * or X would last much longer since it's the latest tech. I'd vote for the X since clearly Apple will be moving to FaceID for the future so you'd have that.

(Though one disadvantage of FaceID is it currently supports only one face, which isn't as good for couples. TouchID lets you register up to 5 fingerprints per phone, so if you're sharing, it might make more sense.)

There are also rumors that Apple will be releasing an update to the SE this spring, so if you're not in a rush, you could wait and see. That's the tiny 4" screen model, but it's much cheaper (usually free on contract).


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Re: iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X

James R Cutler
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I would recommend the iPhone 8+. 
  • It does everything you need it to do.
  • Fingerprint ID recognizes any of several fingers, not one face (or unreasonable facsimile thereof) and does not require looking at the screen.
  • It may be slightly more rugged.
  • And, it is significantly less expensive.
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On Jan 25, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Ira Gold <[hidden email]> wrote:

Any comments about iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X (other than cost)?

We are replacing (don't laugh) a several year old flip phone that our carrier has informed
us is so old that the next time they update their network our phone will stop working.

The phone is used for an occasional call and receipt of text messages when needed (such as
validation to access the carrier’s web site and our account).

But we aren't opposed to getting with the times and getting a real phone with apps and such.  :-)

Thanks in advance.

Ira.




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Re: iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X

Rodney
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> On Jan 25, 2018, at 21:32, Ira Gold <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Any comments about iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X (other than cost)?

If an iPhone 8+, or an iPhone X, is the answer, then what was the question?

It seems to me that you’re putting the cart before the horse here. What features do you want in a new phone? Do you care about the camera? How about screen real estate, battery life, security, whatever? Are there any apps you want to use? You’re talking about spending a lot of money just to be “getting with the times”.

Put some thought into it, and do a bit of research, before you decide on which phone will meet your needs. Heck, if you’re replacing an almost never used flip phone, why not just get another flip phone? If your current phone meets your needs, then a fancier phone is just a waste of money.

I also noticed the, “We are replacing…” Are you planning on sharing this phone with someone else? That opens a can of worms when dealing with apps, email, whatever. With a smartphone, go with one phone per person.





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Re: iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X

Travis Butler

> On Jan 25, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Rodney <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 21:32, Ira Gold <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Any comments about iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X (other than cost)?
>
> If an iPhone 8+, or an iPhone X, is the answer, then what was the question?
>
> It seems to me that you’re putting the cart before the horse here. What features do you want in a new phone? Do you care about the camera? How about screen real estate, battery life, security, whatever? Are there any apps you want to use? You’re talking about spending a lot of money just to be “getting with the times”.

I would add to that list, ergonomics/size in hand.

I tried using the 'medium' size (6/6s/7/8) for several months, and it was actually giving me RSI-like symptoms; cramping, muscle tics, and intermittent numbness in the area between thumb and forefinger. After switching back to the smaller size (SE), the symptoms went away after another month or two.

So if you have the opportunity, I would strongly recommend going to a store with all four sizes (small/SE, medium/8, large/X, x-large/8+) on display, and spend some significant time holding and operating the phone - not just a couple of minutes, but at least 10-15 minutes - and see if you feel any strain on your hand muscles.





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Re: iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X

Fearghas McKay
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> On 25 Jan 2018, at 15:32, Ira Gold <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Any comments about iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X (other than cost)?

I had an 8+ and then got a X when supply eased. The 8+ was fabulous big improvement on the 6s+ I had, but the X was better with the new user experience and smaller size. The size is more of an issue with mounting the phone in drone/gimbal mounts that holding it.

In the end I kept the X and my son scored the 8+.

As I live in two countries I have second phone and picked up an SE for that, lovely and small and a pair of them might work better for you if you are a couple moving to smart phones. Remember you can buy and then take it back with 14 days if you hate it, so you can buy a pair of Xs :)

FWIW I always buy unlocked phones, they will give you more flexibility and are easier to resell/hand on to family etc. If you are on Verizon or a CDMA provider it may be a bit harder though.

HTH

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Re: iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X

@lbutlr
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On 25 Jan 2018, at 13:32, Ira Gold <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Any comments about iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X (other than cost)❓

Oh yes, there's lots of opinions.

First off, cost is not really a factor. Yes, the X is more expensive, but it is not appreciably more expensive over its lifetime, so your best bet is to ignore that.

The X has several advantages, and the few disadvantages may not really apply to you since they have to do mostly with how the UI is different from the other iPhones. That's not an issue for you.

The X has a better screen and a larger screen for the size of the device. It is basically the same size as an iPhone 8, but the screen is closer to the 8 Plus. That said, the 8 Plus *is* larger and, most importantly, wider. If you're going to use the device for a lot of reading, the plus might be better.

The X also has FaceID, and FaceID is pretty much magic. I mean, TouchID is very nice, but FaceID is where everything is going to try to catchup with Apple. If you're sharing the phone, one of you will have to use a passcode since it only manages a single face.

Both are very expensive to repair, so no matter what phone you get, get AppleCare+. The iPhone X is the first model in that design, while the 8 and 8 plus are (mostly) the fourth. Long term reliability may be higher with the 8s.

> The phone is used for an occasional call and receipt of text messages when needed (such as validation to access the carrier’s web site and our account).

If you only plan to use it for those limited tasks, then a smartphone is probably a waste of money. Get the cheapest thing you can, because they will all do calls and SMS just fine.

If I look at my phone, Calls isn't even in the top 20 apps.

> But we aren't opposed to getting with the times and getting a real phone with apps and such.  :-)

If you can afford it and you want to dive in, I'd go with the X, but I use my phone a lot (a LOT) as it's become my primary computer, that said, it wasn't worth while for me to upgrade from a 7 Plus to an X and I'll be waiting until this year's models, or next.

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Re: iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X

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On 25 Jan 2018, at 15:07, Travis Butler <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I tried using the 'medium' size (6/6s/7/8) for several months, and it was actually giving me RSI-like symptoms; cramping, muscle tics, and intermittent numbness in the area between thumb and forefinger. After switching back to the smaller size (SE), the symptoms went away after another month or two.

I have a friend who had that same issue until I suggested she change her grip on the phone. She had been holding it in her left hand with her thumb near the top left and her pinky stretched to mostly down the right side. I showed her that I hold it with my thumb about halfway on the the left (maybe a little down) and my index finger opposite. Her cramps and aches went away.

I also, when using the phone, often I just lay it in my left hand without really gripping it much at all. This is normally how I tap on the screen and scroll, then shift my hand all the way down to type with my thumbs, sliding my pinky to support the bottom of the phone with the fingers of both hands sort of cradling the phone back.

Something like this, but I use my right pinky and do not extend it anywhere near that far.

<https://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/iPhone-7-and-7-Plus-Review-26-1280x853.jpg>

I find that the cause of most aches and cramps in my hands are from either positioning my fingers awkwardly or grabbing too tight (or holding the same position for too long, though that's not generally a problem for me).

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Re: iPhone 8+ vs. iPhone X

Travis Butler

On Jan 26, 2018, at 6:34 AM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 25 Jan 2018, at 15:07, Travis Butler <[hidden email]> wrote:
I tried using the 'medium' size (6/6s/7/8) for several months, and it was actually giving me RSI-like symptoms; cramping, muscle tics, and intermittent numbness in the area between thumb and forefinger. After switching back to the smaller size (SE), the symptoms went away after another month or two.

I have a friend who had that same issue until I suggested she change her grip on the phone. She had been holding it in her left hand with her thumb near the top left and her pinky stretched to mostly down the right side. I showed her that I hold it with my thumb about halfway on the the left (maybe a little down) and my index finger opposite. Her cramps and aches went away.

Yes, in the several months of experimenting with different grips, I also tried the grip you describe. It didn't work significantly better one-handed than any of the other grips - my thumb still can't reach the side directly across, well enough to manipulate items, without an uncomfortable stretch. It can't reach the two opposing corners at all, and can't reach the lower same-side corner without a cramped pull-back. 

I also, when using the phone, often I just lay it in my left hand without really gripping it much at all. 

Unfortunately, any of the stretches threaten to push the phone out of my hand, unless I apply some pressure to the opposing side. The ball of my hand underneath my thumb pushes on the near side of the phone when I make that stretch. 

I've *tried*. For several months. And I couldn't find a single grip that worked without uncomfortable stretches and shifting the phone around to reach all areas of the screen. That form factor is just too big for my hands. (Even the 5/5s/SE form factor requires some stretching to reach the top of the screen, but not enough to cause the same RSI issues for me.) 

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