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dianed143@comcast.net
I know iBiz was discontinued a few years ago but it’s been happily working on my machine until I upgraded to Sierra a few weeks ago. I can easily continue it on my old laptop, at least to finish the year out, but I’d like to find a replacement.

So far I want to demo ProfitTrain, OfficeTime and TimeNet. They are all reasonably priced and the screens look decent on their respective sites.

I tried Fanurio and while it worked, I found it a little kludgy.

Anything that allows me to input via my phone would be a plus.

It needs to do invoicing and allow multiple clients with different rates. It also has to do expenses and time.

It also HAS to work locally. I found some that were highly recommended a few years ago for desktop use that are now cloud only.

Thanks
Diane


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Re: iBiz replacement for time keeping/invoicing

Randy B. Singer

On Jan 2, 2018, at 5:12 AM, Diane wrote:

> I know iBiz was discontinued a few years ago but it’s been happily working on my machine until I upgraded to Sierra a few weeks ago. I can easily continue it on my old laptop, at least to finish the year out, but I’d like to find a replacement.

Have a look at:

http://www.macattorney.com/timebillacnt.html

However, there are been a ton of new applications that have not yet been added to that site.  Most of the modern time and billing apps include the invaluable ability to automatically
tracks the time one spends using particular applications and documents and attributes that time to specific clients/matters:

OfficeTime   ($47)
http://www.officetime.net/

Timing ($49)
http://timingapp.com/
<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/timing-best-automatic-time/id431511738>
https://www.macobserver.com/weekly-sponsorship/timing-automatic-time-tracking-mac/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaLPSaAcJcA&feature=youtu.be

TimeKeeper ($8)
http://timekeeperapp.com/
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/timekeeper/id423293264?mt=12 

TimeCell/TimeCellX ($199/$199
http://www.timeandprint.com/

Work Tracker (free)
http://work-tracker.sourceforge.net/ 

Active Timer ($30)
http://osiris.laya.com/projects/activetimer/
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/active-timer/id736431923?mt=12&ign-mpt=uo%3D4

QuickTimer  ($3)
http://quicktimer.modesittsoftware.com/QuickTimer/Macintosh.html
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quicktimer/id609330747?mt=12

WindowWatcher (free)
http://macdownload.informer.com/windowwatcher/download/

RescueTime Lite/Premium (free/$9/yr)
https://www.rescuetime.com/

Chrometa ($12/month)
http://www.chrometa.com/
https://chrometa.zendesk.com/entries/20835587-Mac-Installation

TimeDoctor ($10/user/month)
http://www.timedoctor.com/features.html#webpage_and_application_monitoring 

Timely $151.20/year
https://timelyapp.com/

Zoho
https://www.zoho.com/

Bill4Time
https://www.bill4time.com/

Timesolv
http://www.timesolv.com

Crometa
http://www.chrometa.com/

BillQuick
http://www.bqe.com/Default.asp

Freckle
https://letsfreckle.com/


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Re: iBiz replacement for time keeping/invoicing

dianed143@comcast.net

> On Jan 2, 2018, at 5:55 PM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 5:12 AM, Diane wrote:
>
>> I know iBiz was discontinued a few years ago but it’s been happily working on my machine until I upgraded to Sierra a few weeks ago. I can easily continue it on my old laptop, at least to finish the year out, but I’d like to find a replacement.
>
> Have a look at:
>
> http://www.macattorney.com/timebillacnt.html


Thank you! I added a few more to the list to try out.

Diane


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On 2 Jan 2018, at 15:55, Randy B. Singer [hidden email]> wrote:
> http://www.macattorney.com/timebillacnt.html
>
> However, there are been a ton of new applications that have not yet been added to that site.  Most of the modern time and billing apps include the invaluable ability to automatically tracks the time one spends using particular applications and documents and attributes that time to specific clients/matters:

This is slightly off topic, but if anyone has to keep track of time onsite, there is a great little iOS app called "Geofency" that allows you to set geo fences, group them under a name, and then tracks how much time you spend there.

For example, I have a client where I mostly go to his office, but sometimes I have to go to his home, so I have both locations set. At the end of the quarter, I just open up the app and see how much time I spent at those locations combined.

<http://www.geofency.com>

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dianed143@comcast.net

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 8:44 AM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 2 Jan 2018, at 15:55, Randy B. Singer [hidden email]> wrote:
>> http://www.macattorney.com/timebillacnt.html
>>
>> However, there are been a ton of new applications that have not yet been added to that site.  Most of the modern time and billing apps include the invaluable ability to automatically tracks the time one spends using particular applications and documents and attributes that time to specific clients/matters:
>
> This is slightly off topic, but if anyone has to keep track of time onsite, there is a great little iOS app called "Geofency" that allows you to set geo fences, group them under a name, and then tracks how much time you spend there.
>
> For example, I have a client where I mostly go to his office, but sometimes I have to go to his home, so I have both locations set. At the end of the quarter, I just open up the app and see how much time I spent at those locations combined.
>
> <http://www.geofency.com>



That’s a great idea! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve looked at receipts to trigger my memory of how long I was at a client. Dollar Store on the way there and the grocery store on the way home. Ouch my brain!

Diane


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Re: iBiz replacement for time keeping/invoicing

dianed143@comcast.net
I installed Geofency last night and will test it today

I installed Usage on my Mac last week, not bad but I know it didn’t track all the time I spent logged into 2 clients, using TeamViewer and Viscosity. Those do track time so as long as I look before logging out, I’m good with that.

Finding an iBiz replacement is horrible though - nothing comes close! :(

Diane


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Randy B. Singer

On Jan 10, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Diane wrote:

> Finding an iBiz replacement is horrible though - nothing comes close! :(

When you lose your favorite application it can be miserable, because while you might be able to find something with the same feature-set, you are unlikely to find something with the same user interface that you are used to and/or love.

That said, here are two time and billing programs that are quite good, and that established users really love.  You may want to check them out:

TimeNet
http://www.applesource.biz/software/timenet/

OfficeTime
http://www.officetime.net/

Here's one that I haven't tried yet, but it's from a developer that I really like, so I suspect that it is very nice.  It's also only $3:

QuickTimer
http://quicktimer.modesittsoftware.com/QuickTimer/Macintosh.html
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quicktimer/id609330747?mt=12

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Re: iBiz replacement for time keeping/invoicing

dianed143@comcast.net

On Jan 10, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Jan 10, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Diane wrote:

Finding an iBiz replacement is horrible though - nothing comes close! :(

When you lose your favorite application it can be miserable, because while you might be able to find something with the same feature-set, you are unlikely to find something with the same user interface that you are used to and/or love.

That’s the worst thing. When I picked iBiz, I did the same thing, downloaded a few apps and picked the one that felt the best. Somehow in all that time, nothing has surpassed it since 2009.



That said, here are two time and billing programs that are quite good, and that established users really love.  You may want to check them out:

TimeNet
http://www.applesource.biz/software/timenet/


My method is that I download, install and see which one I can take to quickly. Some get booted off the list quickly, others I will go back to.

For TimeNet, my notes are that I can’t put in a start and stop time (it is only timer, or total time). That is not insurmountable. The big issue is when I roll time into an invoice, it is not marked as invoiced and I can roll it back in the next time.

I haven’t completely crossed it off my list yet though as I liked the layout. I may have to email the developer to see what I’m missing.



I didn’t find OfficeTime intuitive to setup clients and then projects within each client. Then I ran into an issue where the invoices didn’t itemize. 

Again, not completely off my list.

These were my top two based on looks!



Here's one that I haven't tried yet, but it's from a developer that I really like, so I suspect that it is very nice.  It's also only $3:

QuickTimer
http://quicktimer.modesittsoftware.com/QuickTimer/Macintosh.html
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quicktimer/id609330747?mt=12


That one I hadn’t seen yet - thanks! 

I used Geofency today and it worked great to time me at my client, then it got me for 48 seconds as I drove by on the highway 4 minutes after leaving the driveway lol. But I like it! It’s going to save me a lot of head scratching :)

Diane




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Doug Hogg
I currently use OfficeTime and it syncs nicely from the iPhone version.

I have a variety of different projects for each client, and each project is sub-totaled on the invoice.

:-)

Doug Hogg

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:13 PM, Diane <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Jan 10, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Jan 10, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Diane wrote:

Finding an iBiz replacement is horrible though - nothing comes close! :(

When you lose your favorite application it can be miserable, because while you might be able to find something with the same feature-set, you are unlikely to find something with the same user interface that you are used to and/or love.

That’s the worst thing. When I picked iBiz, I did the same thing, downloaded a few apps and picked the one that felt the best. Somehow in all that time, nothing has surpassed it since 2009.



That said, here are two time and billing programs that are quite good, and that established users really love.  You may want to check them out:

TimeNet
http://www.applesource.biz/software/timenet/


My method is that I download, install and see which one I can take to quickly. Some get booted off the list quickly, others I will go back to.

For TimeNet, my notes are that I can’t put in a start and stop time (it is only timer, or total time). That is not insurmountable. The big issue is when I roll time into an invoice, it is not marked as invoiced and I can roll it back in the next time.

I haven’t completely crossed it off my list yet though as I liked the layout. I may have to email the developer to see what I’m missing.



I didn’t find OfficeTime intuitive to setup clients and then projects within each client. Then I ran into an issue where the invoices didn’t itemize. 

Again, not completely off my list.

These were my top two based on looks!



Here's one that I haven't tried yet, but it's from a developer that I really like, so I suspect that it is very nice.  It's also only $3:

QuickTimer
http://quicktimer.modesittsoftware.com/QuickTimer/Macintosh.html
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quicktimer/id609330747?mt=12


That one I hadn’t seen yet - thanks! 

I used Geofency today and it worked great to time me at my client, then it got me for 48 seconds as I drove by on the highway 4 minutes after leaving the driveway lol. But I like it! It’s going to save me a lot of head scratching :)

Diane



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dianed143@comcast.net
I wanted OfficeTime to work because of the mobile function.

My invoices typically look like this:

1/10/2018 Deposit/bills 2.5 (hours) $456
1/11/2018 Reports 1.0 $123

Total 3.5 $779

I’m totaling by everything I’ve done in a specific period.

If it can do that I’m going to work with it again!

Diane

On Jan 10, 2018, at 8:22 PM, Doug Hogg <[hidden email]> wrote:

I currently use OfficeTime and it syncs nicely from the iPhone version.

I have a variety of different projects for each client, and each project is sub-totaled on the invoice.

:-)

Doug Hogg

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:13 PM, Diane <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Jan 10, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Jan 10, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Diane wrote:

Finding an iBiz replacement is horrible though - nothing comes close! :(

When you lose your favorite application it can be miserable, because while you might be able to find something with the same feature-set, you are unlikely to find something with the same user interface that you are used to and/or love.

That’s the worst thing. When I picked iBiz, I did the same thing, downloaded a few apps and picked the one that felt the best. Somehow in all that time, nothing has surpassed it since 2009.



That said, here are two time and billing programs that are quite good, and that established users really love.  You may want to check them out:

TimeNet
http://www.applesource.biz/software/timenet/


My method is that I download, install and see which one I can take to quickly. Some get booted off the list quickly, others I will go back to.

For TimeNet, my notes are that I can’t put in a start and stop time (it is only timer, or total time). That is not insurmountable. The big issue is when I roll time into an invoice, it is not marked as invoiced and I can roll it back in the next time.

I haven’t completely crossed it off my list yet though as I liked the layout. I may have to email the developer to see what I’m missing.



I didn’t find OfficeTime intuitive to setup clients and then projects within each client. Then I ran into an issue where the invoices didn’t itemize. 

Again, not completely off my list.

These were my top two based on looks!



Here's one that I haven't tried yet, but it's from a developer that I really like, so I suspect that it is very nice.  It's also only $3:

QuickTimer
http://quicktimer.modesittsoftware.com/QuickTimer/Macintosh.html
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quicktimer/id609330747?mt=12


That one I hadn’t seen yet - thanks! 

I used Geofency today and it worked great to time me at my client, then it got me for 48 seconds as I drove by on the highway 4 minutes after leaving the driveway lol. But I like it! It’s going to save me a lot of head scratching :)

Diane





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