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dianed143@comcast.net
I'm working with someone who needs the ease of Facebook on a website (that hurts to say). I've typically used GoLive but I really need to give him the ability to do some editing on his own, i.e. photo descriptions.

I've looked at a few products like Wix, Squarespace, Wordpress etc.

Wix has been recommended as about the easiest to use. I set up a test site using his content the other day and it wasn't too bad. He will probably be heavier on photo galleries than anything else.

Before I make this official I thought I would check here and see if there's any other options I missing.

Thanks
Diane

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Re: Web design programs

Marilyn Matty


> On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:17 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
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> I'm working with someone who needs the ease of Facebook on a website (that hurts to say). I've typically used GoLive but I really need to give him the ability to do some editing on his own, i.e. photo descriptions.
>
> I've looked at a few products like Wix, Squarespace, Wordpress etc.

Though this was a few years ago, I set up a 2 photo blogs for friends using Wordpress. I'm a Dreamweaver user and I found Wordpress to have a learning curve. The friends did not have site maintenance experience, and the learning curve for using the templates I set up for them was rather steep. In both cases, I received a lot of "help me please" phone calls for a while.

>
> Wix has been recommended as about the easiest to use. I set up a test site using his content the other day and it wasn't too bad. He will probably be heavier on photo galleries than anything else.

I've heard good things about Wix from people with no design or coding experience who set up nice looking photo oriented sites, but I have never used it myself. Personally speaking, it's nice not to get "help me" phone calls when I'm sitting down to dinner.

Marilyn




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Re: Web design programs

Ryoichi Morita-4
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If you just want to create and publish photo albums, I highly recommend jAlbum. It’s very simple to use. 


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Re: Web design programs

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On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Ryoichi Morita <[hidden email]> wrote:

If you just want to create and publish photo albums, I highly recommend jAlbum. It’s very simple to use. 


Ryoichi Morita


I love it! Do you know if it’s easy to put descriptions in the photos before or after the upload process?

Only thing is - and I can’t believe I’m saying this!!!! It’s Mac only - and he’s on a PC! ARGH




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Re: Web design programs

dianed143@comcast.net
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> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:16 PM, Marilyn Matty <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:17 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>> I'm working with someone who needs the ease of Facebook on a website (that hurts to say). I've typically used GoLive but I really need to give him the ability to do some editing on his own, i.e. photo descriptions.
>>
>> I've looked at a few products like Wix, Squarespace, Wordpress etc.
>
> Though this was a few years ago, I set up a 2 photo blogs for friends using Wordpress. I'm a Dreamweaver user and I found Wordpress to have a learning curve. The friends did not have site maintenance experience, and the learning curve for using the templates I set up for them was rather steep. In both cases, I received a lot of "help me please" phone calls for a while.
>
>>
>> Wix has been recommended as about the easiest to use. I set up a test site using his content the other day and it wasn't too bad. He will probably be heavier on photo galleries than anything else.
>
> I've heard good things about Wix from people with no design or coding experience who set up nice looking photo oriented sites, but I have never used it myself. Personally speaking, it's nice not to get "help me" phone calls when I'm sitting down to dinner.


I’ve heard from a friend who’s done a number of Wordpress sites that it’s not so good for the non-tech folks!

And I hear you on the “help me” calls. Mine are usually around 11pm and it gets me really cranky even when I don’t answer the phone because I know it’s something I’ll have to deal with in the morning.

Diane


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Re: Web design programs

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On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Ryoichi Morita <[hidden email]> wrote:

If you just want to create and publish photo albums, I highly recommend jAlbum. It’s very simple to use. 


Ryoichi Morita

Wait - it says it’s cross platform but it’s only showing me a Mac download. I’ll have to try it on another machine.

Thanks again,
Diane



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Re: Web design programs

Kenneth Wieschhoff
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Is iWeb still around?

->Ken (via iPhone)


On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Ryoichi Morita <[hidden email]> wrote:

If you just want to create and publish photo albums, I highly recommend jAlbum. It’s very simple to use. 


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Re: Web design programs

"John Turner the Bear😎"
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Yes Diane, the PC is a nightmare. Why wouldn’t you use a Mac instead?

Bear😎

On Jun 27, 2017, 5:50 PM -0400, Diane <[hidden email]>, wrote:

On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Ryoichi Morita <[hidden email]> wrote:

If you just want to create and publish photo albums, I highly recommend jAlbum. It’s very simple to use. 


Ryoichi Morita


I love it! Do you know if it’s easy to put descriptions in the photos before or after the upload process?

Only thing is - and I can’t believe I’m saying this!!!! It’s Mac only - and he’s on a PC! ARGH




Diane


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Re: Web design programs

dianed143@comcast.net
You didn’t read my post? I do, he does not. He needs to do some editing himself.

Diane

On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:00 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes Diane, the PC is a nightmare. Why wouldn’t you use a Mac instead?

Bear😎

On Jun 27, 2017, 5:50 PM -0400, Diane <[hidden email]>, wrote:

On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Ryoichi Morita <[hidden email]> wrote:

If you just want to create and publish photo albums, I highly recommend jAlbum. It’s very simple to use. 


Ryoichi Morita


I love it! Do you know if it’s easy to put descriptions in the photos before or after the upload process?

Only thing is - and I can’t believe I’m saying this!!!! It’s Mac only - and he’s on a P





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Re: Web design programs

Jerry King
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iWeb still works if you have it. You have to use ftp to load the files to the website as MobileMe is gone


Jerry 


On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Kenneth Wieschhoff <[hidden email]> wrote:

Is iWeb still around?

->Ken (via iPhone)


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If you just want to create and publish photo albums, I highly recommend jAlbum. It’s very simple to use. 


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Re: Web design programs

Alia Michaels
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Diane, the few clients (non-techy) I've worked with who want to do
editing have been fine with WordPress sites. I do the design and the
initial content loading. Then, I give them specific instructions on how
to edit and update content... including uploading media. Most people
these day feel comfortable enough with the WP editing backend as long as
you can provide some minimal training. If my clients want something more
involved (such as new pages), they contact me to do that level of update.

My cautionary tale is: When I've looked at the sites like Wix and
Squarespace, I've found their templates too limiting and saw many other
problems. One client wanted 'something like this site on Wix' until I
pointed out that the site has to be hosted by Wix (she had her own
domain already). So, remember that Wix and Squarespace host their own
sites, which are not transferable elsewhere. Also, when I looked at the
'something like this site on Wix' suggestion, I saw many, many issues
visually with the implementation. So, if you do go with Wix, do make
sure that the template actually works properly. (And, remember, if the
marketing jive is 'just drag and drop', there's plenty of room for error.)

As alternatives, many hosting solutions provide 'easy' website
builders... even GoDaddy! (I had one client that used the proprietary
GoDaddy website builder, which was fine until she wanted to move to a
different hosting solution.) So, part of the decision with this client
is about hosting issues, which may or may not be tied into the website
platform. Remind your client that if he doesn't like how it works out
with a Wix or Squarespace site, you'd have to 'start from scratch'
elsewhere. At least, if it's a WP site, it can be transferred to another
host.

Do a search on 'website builders' or look at various hosting solutions
to see what they offer. From my POV, the less proprietary a website
builder is the better.

HTH,
Alia


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Re: Web design programs

Randy B. Singer
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On Jun 27, 2017, at 10:17 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Before I make this official I thought I would check here and see if there's any other options I missing.

I don't know why more people don't know about this awesome Web site creation program. It's free (some extended features are only available if you pay for them, but none of them are terribly important), WYSIWYG (but there is a built-in text editor if you choose to work with the raw HTML, and it helps you by allowing you to add HTML commands with one click), easy to use (if you know how to use a word processor you will take to this program quickly), and full featured. It's great for beginners and experienced Web designers alike.

BlueGriffon (free)
http://bluegriffon.org/

Free video tutorial series:
(The tutorial does not use the Mac version of the program, but the program is virtually identical across platforms.)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC06B5890CFFF491C
Other free BlueGriffon tutorials:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bluegriffon+tutorials

BlueGriffon's user manual is commercial (not free), but it's not necessary if you view the above tutorial.

Now, here's the best thing about BlueGriffon...it can do something that very few other WYSIWYG Web site creation programs can do...it can import existing Web sites in HTML format. Why is that important? Because if you have previously been using a program that is basically a page layout program with an HTML converter on top of it you can only export your existing Web site in either a proprietary format that nothing else can open, or you can export your Web site in HTML format. So, using BlueGriffon you can migrate from any other Web site creation program.

Even better, you can suck down the raw HTML from any existing site on the Web using something like SiteSucker, and use it as a template/starting point for your project. Basically this means that you have access to an unlimited number of free templates!

Some tips for using BlueGriffon:

1. When you first open it, the interface will look terrible. Don't get discouraged. Do this:
BlueGriffon menu --> Preferences --> General tab --> Theme -> enable "Light"
The interface will now look world's better!

2. The sidebar in the program isn't active by default. In the Panels menu choose Style Properties, and you should instantly get a sense of the value of the sidebar.


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http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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Wow Randy - thank you! I have a note to reply to one of the posters about why I need to do what I’m doing despite it being proprietary - but this may change things.  :)

I’ll keep you posted!

Diane

> On Jul 8, 2017, at 1:06 AM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 10:17 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
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>> Before I make this official I thought I would check here and see if there's any other options I missing.
>
> I don't know why more people don't know about this awesome Web site creation program. It's free (some extended features are only available if you pay for them, but none of them are terribly important), WYSIWYG (but there is a built-in text editor if you choose to work with the raw HTML, and it helps you by allowing you to add HTML commands with one click), easy to use (if you know how to use a word processor you will take to this program quickly), and full featured. It's great for beginners and experienced Web designers alike.
>
> BlueGriffon (free)
> http://bluegriffon.org/




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Re: Web design programs

Curtis Wilcox
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On Jul 8, 2017, at 1:06 AM, Randy B. Singer <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don't know why more people don't know about this awesome Web site creation program. It's free (some extended features are only available if you pay for them, but none of them are terribly important), WYSIWYG (but there is a built-in text editor if you choose to work with the raw HTML, and it helps you by allowing you to add HTML commands with one click), easy to use (if you know how to use a word processor you will take to this program quickly), and full featured. It's great for beginners and experienced Web designers alike.

BlueGriffon (free)
http://bluegriffon.org/


Why is BlueGriffon little known? For starters, it's French, they only list their prices in Euros, no one teaches using it, and its Mac app is unsigned so Gatekeeper won't initially allow it to run. 

The number of people who compose whole web pages on their desktop then upload them is not large. Non-professionals just put their content directly into existing sites, eschewing having their own web site and using Facebook, or having their own on platforms like Wordpress or Squarespace. If they like a local word processor-like experience, they're probably satisfied by using their word processor and saving as HTML, they're not going to care about what a mess the underlying code is. Professionals generally don't compose whole pages, presentation and content, they make templates content is added to, or design individual web components, or programmatically generate web output. For tools, many design in a browser Professional web design is now responsive web design; the non-free version has a mobile viewer and the CSS editor can do media queries but it doesn't sound like anything that would actually make the task easier. BlueGriffon is built on Firefox's engine and designing in the browser has become much more common (the developer tools in all browsers have gotten a lot better); not being able to hit 'Save' when they like a change isn't considered a problem. 

I downloaded it, just to see how much it's updated compared to its predecessors (Netscape Composer, Nvu, etc.). I can't drag an .html file into the window to open it but I can drag it to the Dock icon. It rendered the page with the linked images and CSS but there's no folder tree or other listing of assets. Even when I display the Stylesheets panel, the linked-to stylesheet in the HTML isn't listed. It displays HTML comments as a weird yellow button, I don't know why that's something to display at all. There's some bugginess in it, in the preferences I clicked the Files button a zillion times before it actually showed the panel, the OS X panel still hasn't shown so I don't know what that's supposed to do. It's been updated recently enough to support CSS Grid, that's good.

It has some rough edges and bad choices (having no only an Underline button that inserts <u> elements but even giving it a keyboard shortcut is a crime) but overall it's put together fairly well and of course the page rendering is solid. I just come back to it occupying a middle ground that's sparsely populated, so it's not better known or often used.




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