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Why the HomePod Faces an Uphill Battle

By Josh Centers
http://tidbits.com/article/17647

Apple has officially delayed the HomePod until next year, and many reports indicate that, unlike the standalone Amazon Echo, it will depend on a connected iPhone for most of its smarts. Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman has gathered the inside story: the HomePod has been in development for over five years, was originally conceived of as a modern iPod Hi-Fi, and its designers were blindsided by the Amazon Echo. But despite the Echo’s success, Apple focused on sound quality and not voice assistant capabilities, which may prove problematic in the market. Regardless, the HomePod will have a hard time competing on audio quality alone, since you can buy several Amazon Echoes for the price of one HomePod.

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On 22 Nov 2017, at 12:58, TidBITS Articles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Regardless, the HomePod will have a hard time competing on audio quality alone, since you can buy several Amazon Echoes for the price of one HomePod.

Several bad speakers (and the speakers on the Echo are pretty bad) do not compete with one good speaker.

I'm no audiodweeb, but I do not like listening to music on the Echo.

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Re: TidBITS: Why the HomePod Faces an Uphill Battle

Marc Zeedar-2

> On Nov 22, 2017, at 12:36 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I'm no audiodweeb, but I do not like listening to music on the Echo.

I think there's a market for people like me who have no home stereo and are interested in a good speaker, but won't own an Echo or google thing for privacy reasons. Maybe not a big market, but a market.

For reasons I don't get, Apple's neglected Siri terribly,* so the voice control aspect of Homepod doesn't interest me much at all. I can already do that stuff with my "Hey Siri" phone/iPad (and I find for many things, like turning on lights, it's generally more hassle than a physical switch).

* I just want Siri to understand basic English and follow a conversation. Right now she acts like she's smart, but is incredibly dumb. I tell her she's useless all the time in the hopes that she'll relay the message back to Apple.


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Re: TidBITS: Why the HomePod Faces an Uphill Battle

George Wade
It is important, Marc, to know that Artificially Insane assistants have their own language and logic.  Developing one's own Siri-ese to match may take some relaxing and experimentation.  Perhaps you have already done that and found it still comes up short !  I hope that Apple gets it by inspiration of some kind from somewhere. I have a 'AI' sensor in my mind and know when to change dialects, but it took a few experiments in insanity to get there for me.

Good luck everybody,  George

On 22 Nov 2017, at 15:46, Zeedar Marc wrote:

>
>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 12:36 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I'm no audiodweeb, but I do not like listening to music on the Echo.
>
> I think there's a market for people like me who have no home stereo and are interested in a good speaker, but won't own an Echo or google thing for privacy reasons. Maybe not a big market, but a market.
>
> For reasons I don't get, Apple's neglected Siri terribly,* so the voice control aspect of Homepod doesn't interest me much at all. I can already do that stuff with my "Hey Siri" phone/iPad (and I find for many things, like turning on lights, it's generally more hassle than a physical switch).
>
> * I just want Siri to understand basic English and follow a conversation. Right now she acts like she's smart, but is incredibly dumb. I tell her she's useless all the time in the hopes that she'll relay the message back to Apple.
>
>
> Marc Zeedar
> Publisher, xDev Magazine and xDevLibrary
> www.xdevmag.com | www.xdevlibrary.com



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Re: TidBITS: Why the HomePod Faces an Uphill Battle

John Turner-3
With all of the evidence of Google and others monitoring and recording what you buy, do, or say, why would anyone want one of these devices in their homes? People have even been arrested and tried in court on the basis of info that various police agencies have obtained from Amazon, Google and others. Just because Apple will build a similar device I am still really nervous about having anything around that can listen into and record what is going on in my home…and with some of these devices even able to recognize who is talking by voice ID.


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It is important, Marc, to know that Artificially Insane assistants have their own language and logic. Developing one's own Siri-ese to match may take some relaxing and experimentation. Perhaps you have already done that and found it still comes up short ! I hope that Apple gets it by inspiration of some kind from somewhere. I have a 'AI' sensor in my mind and know when to change dialects, but it took a few experiments in insanity to get there for me.

Good luck everybody, George

On 22 Nov 2017, at 15:46, Zeedar Marc wrote:

>
>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 12:36 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I'm no audiodweeb, but I do not like listening to music on the Echo.
>
> I think there's a market for people like me who have no home stereo and are interested in a good speaker, but won't own an Echo or google thing for privacy reasons. Maybe not a big market, but a market.
>
> For reasons I don't get, Apple's neglected Siri terribly,* so the voice control aspect of Homepod doesn't interest me much at all. I can already do that stuff with my "Hey Siri" phone/iPad (and I find for many things, like turning on lights, it's generally more hassle than a physical switch).
>
> * I just want Siri to understand basic English and follow a conversation. Right now she acts like she's smart, but is incredibly dumb. I tell her she's useless all the time in the hopes that she'll relay the message back to Apple.
>
>
> Marc Zeedar
> Publisher, xDev Magazine and xDevLibrary
> www.xdevmag.com | www.xdevlibrary.com



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On 22 Nov 2017, at 14:23, John Turner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> People have even been arrested and tried in court on the basis of info that various police agencies have obtained from Amazon, Google and others.

Cite?

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Re: TidBITS: Why the HomePod Faces an Uphill Battle

John Turner-3
Here’s a few places to begin the study of the problems with these devices:






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On 22 Nov 2017, at 14:23, John Turner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> People have even been arrested and tried in court on the basis of info that various police agencies have obtained from Amazon, Google and others.

Cite?

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@lbutlr
On 22 Nov 2017, at 14:55, John Turner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Here’s a few places to begin the study of the problems with these devices:

None of these (and two of the three links are referring to the same case) are cases where "People have even been arrested and tried in court on the basis of info that various police agencies have obtained from Amazon, Google and others." The case in Arkansas is specifically about Amazon *not* giving information to police, and in the the other case the defendant handed over the information himself.

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John Turner-3
I do not want to continue the debate regarding these devices…apparently I am mistaken about convictions etc., my apologies. However, the problem does exist and law enforcement has been trying together the info. It is the opinion of  the people quoted in the below article, that law enforcement may well succeed. This article was posted by CNN, not my favorite news site, but is illustrative of the problem…and yes it does refer to the Arkansas case.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/28/tech/amazon-echo-alexa-bentonville-arkansas-murder-case-trnd/index.html


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On 22 Nov 2017, at 14:55, John Turner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Here’s a few places to begin the study of the problems with these devices:

None of these (and two of the three links are referring to the same case) are cases where "People have even been arrested and tried in court on the basis of info that various police agencies have obtained from Amazon, Google and others." The case in Arkansas is specifically about Amazon *not* giving information to police, and in the the other case the defendant handed over the information himself.

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