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Paul Schinder

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> Strava Fitness Network Reveals Secret Military Sites
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> How’s this for an unintended consequence? The Strava fitness app, which brands itself as the “social network for athletes,” lets users map their workouts, which has led to a potentially deadly security breach. U.S. troops stationed abroad are using Strava to share their workouts, and a heat map released by the company reveals the locations of military bases and travel routes—some known, others not. The company responded by pointing out the app’s privacy settings, but this is likely a problem the military will have to solve with smarter policy.
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I saw this reported this morning, and I can’t see how it’s a security breach.  In this era of spy satellites, don’t they already know where all of the bases are?  And as other’s said on other sites I read this morning, is it a shock that GPS devices designed to track and record your position among other things actually track your position?  This is just smells like click bait.

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I saw this reported this morning, and I can’t see how it’s a security breach.  In this era of spy satellites, don’t they already know where all of the bases are? 

Only established governments have access to satellites, I suspect. But any random terror group can check out Strava online.
 
And as other’s said on other sites I read this morning, is it a shock that GPS devices designed to track and record your position among other things actually track your position?  This is just smells like click bait.

It’s not a shock, but it’s an instance of the military not grokking how consumer technology affects them.

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Re: TidBITS: Strava Fitness Network Reveals Secret Military Sites

Paul Schinder

> On Jan 30, 2018, at 4:36 PM, Adam Engst <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I saw this reported this morning, and I can’t see how it’s a security breach.  In this era of spy satellites, don’t they already know where all of the bases are?
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> Only established governments have access to satellites, I suspect. But any random terror group can check out Strava online.

Any random terror group can go to Google Maps.  And if you’re a terror group, you really don’t want to try to hit a hard target like a military base.

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> And as other’s said on other sites I read this morning, is it a shock that GPS devices designed to track and record your position among other things actually track your position?  This is just smells like click bait.
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> It’s not a shock, but it’s an instance of the military not grokking how consumer technology affects them.

I’d be surprised if that was the case.  I’d bet where it matters no one is uploading to Strava.


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Any random terror group can go to Google Maps.  And if you’re a terror group, you really don’t want to try to hit a hard target like a military base.

I can’t comment on that, because that requires assuming sanity. :-) But the point of the article was that the Strava heat map shows where soldiers go running outside bases, for instance, and the roads connecting bases. 
 
> It’s not a shock, but it’s an instance of the military not grokking how consumer technology affects them.

I’d be surprised if that was the case.  I’d bet where it matters no one is uploading to Strava.

Did you read the New York Times article? It’s explicit about how the heat map identifies areas that look like airstrips and military bases, along with the lines connecting them. The Pentagon won’t confirm it, for obvious reasons, but didn’t deny it and said it’s looking into the situation.

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Re: TidBITS: Strava Fitness Network Reveals Secret Military Sites

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On 30 Jan 2018, at 14:36, Adam Engst [hidden email]> wrote:
> Only established governments have access to satellites, I suspect. But any random terror group can check out Strava online.

There are a lot of commercial satellites.

Curious, what does Google Maps satellite imagery show for these locations?

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Re: TidBITS: Strava Fitness Network Reveals Secret Military Sites

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> On Jan 30, 2018, at 5:21 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On 30 Jan 2018, at 14:36, Adam Engst [hidden email]> wrote:
>> Only established governments have access to satellites, I suspect. But any random terror group can check out Strava online.
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> There are a lot of commercial satellites.

For quite some time, in fact; the first pics from 9/11 were from a commercial IKONOS imaging satellite.





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