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Disney Cutting off Netflix to Launch Streaming Service in 2019

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Disney currently has an exclusive agreement with Netflix to stream its content, a deal that was made in 2012 but didn’t take full effect until last year. Now Disney is withdrawing. In 2019, its content will disappear from Netflix when Disney’s own streaming service joins another planned streaming service from Disney subsidiary ESPN. The announcement raises a few questions: How many of these streaming services are people willing to pay for? Will Netflix’s original TV shows and movies be sufficient to make up for the content that competitors with ties to the major studios and networks are pulling away?

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Does this mean the Marvel shows will be leaving Netflix, or just Disney branded shows?

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Cable might end up being less expensive than streaming unless the networks pull out of cable too.

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Disney Cutting off Netflix to Launch Streaming Service in 2019

By Josh Centers
http://tidbits.com/article/17389

Disney currently has an exclusive agreement with Netflix to stream its content, a deal that was made in 2012 but didn’t take full effect until last year. Now Disney is withdrawing. In 2019, its content will disappear from Netflix when Disney’s own streaming service joins another planned streaming service from Disney subsidiary ESPN. The announcement raises a few questions: How many of these streaming services are people willing to pay for? Will Netflix’s original TV shows and movies be sufficient to make up for the content that competitors with ties to the major studios and networks are pulling away?


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> On Aug 9, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Paul Schinder <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Does this mean the Marvel shows will be leaving Netflix, or just Disney branded shows?

I read an article earlier today that said Marvel was staying, but I don't have the source handy.

This disappearing of content is one thing that annoys me about streaming. It's unreliable. I have tons of "to be watched someday" items on my Netflix queue that now show as "unavailable." I guess if I wait long enough, maybe they'll return.


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On Aug 9, 2017, at 6:16 PM, TidBITS Articles <[hidden email]> wrote:

Disney Cutting off Netflix to Launch Streaming Service in 2019

By Josh Centers
http://tidbits.com/article/17389

Disney currently has an exclusive agreement with Netflix to stream its content, a deal that was made in 2012 but didn’t take full effect until last year. Now Disney is withdrawing. In 2019, its content will disappear from Netflix when Disney’s own streaming service joins another planned streaming service from Disney subsidiary ESPN. The announcement raises a few questions: How many of these streaming services are people willing to pay for?

This has me puzzled too. But it's a significant problem Disney has to address as the Nielsen numbers for Disney and ESPN have been dropping for a while, and as the number of subscribers to their paid TV channel has been slowly but steadily falling, they have to try something. They are walking away from collecting a gazillion dollars a year from Netflix and Disney is neither stupid or reckless. The numbers for CBS haven't and CBS Sports haven't been so good either, and they announced a streaming deal just a few weeks ago with DirectTV Now, so Disney is not alone.

Will Netflix’s original TV shows and movies be sufficient to make up for the content that competitors with ties to the major studios and networks are pulling away?

Just a few days ago Netflix announced an acquisition that makes them a multimedia company with a potential for licensed merchandise:

Netflix Acquires Comic-Book Publisher Millarworld


Whatever gazillions of dollars Netflix is paying to Disney can be spent on developing more original content for kids, including books, games, dolls, clothing, etc. Netflix has always stated that they want their ratio of originals to exceed 50% across the board in the near future. One of the reasons why Netflix has been so successful is that it has produced and licensed a lot of excellent content, both episodic and movies, for kids, tweens and teens along with family friendly stuff. And Parents can stream Orange Is The New Black while their kids are setting the directions the "branching" story of Puss N Boots takes:

Netflix Introduces Interactive Content for Kids With Choose-Your-Own-Adventure Style Programming:


In addition to original programming, Netflix has also revived shows also like "Fuller House" and "The Gilmore Girls," family shows that were very popular when a significant % of today's parents that now have young kids were growing up. 

Parents do tend to appreciate that The Disney Channel and Netflix don't run ads. I suspect there are enough reasons that many families will pay for subscriptions to both. They might decide to ditch a subscription to HBO or Showtime instead.

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Disney hasn't said one way or another, but I doubt if they'll be sticking around for very long.

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I had the same problem. My nephew sent me this link which lists what is arriving and leaving. I check it daily at the same time I check zap2it.com for the TV schedule.  http://www.whats-on-netflix.com/whats-new/  and  http://www.whats-on-netflix.com/leaving-soon/


This disappearing of content is one thing that annoys me about streaming. It's unreliable. I have tons of "to be watched someday" items on my Netflix queue that now show as "unavailable." I guess if I wait long enough, maybe they'll return.

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On 09 Aug 2017, at 22:33, SciFiOneA . <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Cable might end up being less expensive than streaming unless the networks pull out of cable too.

I pay for HBO and Netflix, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. I don't see adding any other services and I have zero interest in a Disney streaming channel. I do like Disney movies, but I buy the ones I want to have and the rest of their content is not really interesting to me.

I also get Amazon Prime video, but that is an aside from the Amazon Prime service we already pay for. I've watch only one series on Amazon and several pilots since they have made it so difficult for me to watch their content. Once they release their promised TV app I will probably watch more.

I also have a VRV subscription, but that is entirely for the kids who both like having access to anime (one on Crunchyroll, the other on Funimation). I've watched some Geek & Sundry stuff on it, but I find their iOS app to be terrible. That said, I would not pay for it for myself and I'm probably going to make them pay me $5/m each to cover it.

I have an OTA antenna and I record off of it, but less and less as nearly all my viewing is HBO/Netflix or our existing movie library on Plex (which is supposed to be taking over DVR functions this fall).

I have no interest in ever having cable TV again and I will never pay for anything with commercials again (or for any 'package' that includes sports channels); I am perfectly happy spending <$30/mo and then occasionally buying TV stuff I want to watch. Even if I spend $500 a year on TV shows I'm *way* ahead of paying Comcast for cable.

Cable Free since August 2008 and not missing it one bit; I though I'd miss live sports, but the only thing I really miss is seeing Wimbledon each year.

We did watch (via streaming) the last Super Bowl Denver was in, but it didn't make me want to watch NFL again, and the amount (and quality) of the commercials reminded me of just how much I hate live television.

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So who do you pay for your internet access? 

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On 09 Aug 2017, at 22:33, SciFiOneA . <[hidden email]> wrote:
Cable might end up being less expensive than streaming unless the networks pull out of cable too.

I pay for HBO and Netflix, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. I don't see adding any other services and I have zero interest in a Disney streaming channel. I do like Disney movies, but I buy the ones I want to have and the rest of their content is not really interesting to me.

I also get Amazon Prime video, but that is an aside from the Amazon Prime service we already pay for. I've watch only one series on Amazon and several pilots since they have made it so difficult for me to watch their content. Once they release their promised TV app I will probably watch more.

I also have a VRV subscription, but that is entirely for the kids who both like having access to anime (one on Crunchyroll, the other on Funimation). I've watched some Geek & Sundry stuff on it, but I find their iOS app to be terrible. That said, I would not pay for it for myself and I'm probably going to make them pay me $5/m each to cover it.

I have an OTA antenna and I record off of it, but less and less as nearly all my viewing is HBO/Netflix or our existing movie library on Plex (which is supposed to be taking over DVR functions this fall).

I have no interest in ever having cable TV again and I will never pay for anything with commercials again (or for any 'package' that includes sports channels); I am perfectly happy spending <$30/mo and then occasionally buying TV stuff I want to watch. Even if I spend $500 a year on TV shows I'm *way* ahead of paying Comcast for cable.

Cable Free since August 2008 and not missing it one bit; I though I'd miss live sports, but the only thing I really miss is seeing Wimbledon each year.

We did watch (via streaming) the last Super Bowl Denver was in, but it didn't make me want to watch NFL again, and the amount (and quality) of the commercials reminded me of just how much I hate live television.

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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 12:38 AM, Zeedar Marc <[hidden email]> wrote
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> I read an article earlier today that said Marvel was staying, but I don't have the source handy.

I've heard they are staying for the time being due to contractual obligations.

> This disappearing of content is one thing that annoys me about streaming. It's unreliable. I have tons of "to be watched someday" items on my Netflix queue that now show as "unavailable." I guess if I wait long enough, maybe they'll return.

Licensed content disappears from Netflix for the same reason it does on HBO, Showtime, etc., contracts run for a negotiated time. I've occasionally seen an "available until" note on stuff on my queue, and sometimes I've noticed they don't get pulled on that date, which I assumed another deal was negotiated.

Like Apple, Netflix is about quality and exclusivity. Netflix has been the most aggressive among VOD companies in producing original content and licensing originals like Orange Is The New Black and House Of Cards. They also demand exclusive rights while licensed content runs, and for recent titles, they want first run.

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> So who do you pay for your internet access?

Not sure what that has to do with TV…

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I see people talking about cutting the cord all the time and maybe I'm just confused. I get my internet via the cable company. If I cut that cord I wouldn't have internet access. Now, maybe it's because I only have the basic package - enough to get internet - and we hardly ever turn the tv on, so maybe people would say we never had a cord to cut.

But I still pay because I don't want to loose the internet and I think of that as a cord....

Paul

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On 18 Aug 2017, at 15:59, Paul(ZOM) <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I see people talking about cutting the cord all the time and maybe I'm just confused. I get my internet via the cable company. If I cut that cord I wouldn't have internet access. Now, maybe it's because I only have the basic package - enough to get internet - and we hardly ever turn the tv on, so maybe people would say we never had a cord to cut.

It's a figure of speech, drawing an analogy between an umbilical cord connecting a baby to mother and a TV-watcher's connection to a cable company. "Cutting the cord" means canceling a traditional cable TV subscription (or satellite TV subscription). I don't know if I'd pass a cord-cutting "purity test;" in addition to Internet, I still pay ~$7.50/month to Comcast for a handful of channels, basically replicating what's broadcast in the area plus public access, because it's $5 cheaper to have that plus Internet than to have Internet alone.




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I don't know if I'd pass a cord-cutting "purity test;" in addition to Internet, I still pay ~$7.50/month to Comcast for a handful of channels, basically replicating what's broadcast in the area plus public access, because it's $5 cheaper to have that plus Internet than to have Internet alone.

As long as you have access to some programming by cable, satellite or antenna you are not a cord cutter. But if your household just about never watches any of the channels you are paying for, you are considered a Zero TVer:


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> On Aug 19, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Marilyn Matty <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> As long as you have access to some programming by cable, satellite or antenna you are not a cord cutter. But if your household just about never watches any of the channels you are paying for, you are considered a Zero TVer:
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> http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/news/2013/zero-tv-doesnt-mean-zero-video.html

I’m kind of wondering whether the cord will come back in vogue in a different manner.  Right now we watch basically one show over the air per week which my daughter and I both like, so it’s more convenient for both of us to watch it at the same time than to use our iTunes season pass (which we get anyway) for that show.  (It was easy to fill out the Nielsen “bible” we got one week last year.)  So we could cut the cord now if we wanted to.  We have Netflix (my daughter got it originally, and I use it to do things like binge “The Defenders” yesterday), and I have NBC Sports Gold for various cycling events (watched the Vuelta this morning), and we’re Prime members so we get Amazon streaming for “free” (looking forward to “The Tick”).

It’s the time of year to start thinking about buying season passes for various shows, although maybe a little early (so far all I have been able to get is “The Orville”).  There’s s new Star Trek show starting soon, and I’d like to watch it.  But so far all I’ve seen is that it’s going to be on a new CBS streaming service.  I’m not sure if I’ll be able to buy a Amazon or iTunes season pass for it.  Disney is going to start its own streaming service.  So soon there will be multiple streaming services that I’ll have to buy for various shows our household wants to watch.  If Comcast could negotiate cut rates for these services to offer them all over the cord rather than over various apps, I’d certainly be interested.

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On Aug 19, 2017, at 2:22 PM, Paul Schinder <[hidden email]> wrote:

I’m kind of wondering whether the cord will come back in vogue in a different manner.  

I think the pricing structures and programming options will have to change drastically for this to happen. And I hope it will.

Right now we watch basically one show over the air per week which my daughter and I both like, so it’s more convenient for both of us to watch it at the same time than to use our iTunes season pass (which we get anyway) for that show.  (It was easy to fill out the Nielsen “bible” we got one week last year.)  So we could cut the cord now if we wanted to.  

At the moment, millennials are leading the pack for cord cutting as well as cord nevers.
And because Netflix had accumulated a ton of data from its original DVD service, they entered the streaming market with a commitment to provide content for every age group. In addition to family friendly and adult programming, there is loads of excellent stuff for kids, tweens and teens. This caught services like HBO off guard, as did the concept of releasing every episode of binge worthy programs at once.

We have Netflix (my daughter got it originally, and I use it to do things like binge “The Defenders” yesterday),

In addition to being the pioneer of binging, they can get more granular with data in real time. Though I couldn't help but binge, and later rewatch, the first four seasons of Orange Is The New Black. I thought the latest season was awful, and everyone I know who loved this show seems to feel the same way. Instead of burning through the all the episodes in about a week, I took more than two months. Some friends didn't come close to finishing at all. Since Netflix doesn't depend on Nielsen data, or weekly release of episodes, they don't just know who is watching, and who stops watching and when. So a turkey like Gypsy got dumped a scant few weeks after release. They even look carefully at data to determine what screenshots to display for shows and movies:

https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/selecting-the-best-artwork-for-videos-through-a-b-testing-f6155c4595f6

and I have NBC Sports Gold for various cycling events (watched the Vuelta this morning), and we’re Prime members so we get Amazon streaming for “free” (looking forward to “The Tick”). 

Netflix isn't getting in to sports or any other live streaming, at least for the time being. But Amazon is. They're starting off with streaming Thursday night NFL games, and Amazon will be selling ads on them:


Amazon accumulates a wealth of actual data about purchasing, searching, web browsing, and has media planning, buying and analytic services. This manna for advertisers, which will only get better as they continue to expand with physical stores.

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Very informative. Thank you. The only things holding me back from cutting the cord, are the distance from over-the-air broadcasters (which limits reception), and I want the programming recorded on my devices so I can play them back with full controls. Recording is becoming harder and harder to do as DRM increases and streaming devices reduce output connections to HDMI only - which is difficult to record.

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On 09 Aug 2017, at 22:33, SciFiOneA . <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Cable might end up being less expensive than streaming unless the networks pull out of cable too.

I pay for HBO and Netflix, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. I don't see adding any other services and I have zero interest in a Disney streaming channel. I do like Disney movies, but I buy the ones I want to have and the rest of their content is not really interesting to me.

I also get Amazon Prime video, but that is an aside from the Amazon Prime service we already pay for. I've watch only one series on Amazon and several pilots since they have made it so difficult for me to watch their content. Once they release their promised TV app I will probably watch more.

I also have a VRV subscription, but that is entirely for the kids who both like having access to anime (one on Crunchyroll, the other on Funimation). I've watched some Geek & Sundry stuff on it, but I find their iOS app to be terrible. That said, I would not pay for it for myself and I'm probably going to make them pay me $5/m each to cover it.

I have an OTA antenna and I record off of it, but less and less as nearly all my viewing is HBO/Netflix or our existing movie library on Plex (which is supposed to be taking over DVR functions this fall).

I have no interest in ever having cable TV again and I will never pay for anything with commercials again (or for any 'package' that includes sports channels); I am perfectly happy spending <$30/mo and then occasionally buying TV stuff I want to watch. Even if I spend $500 a year on TV shows I'm *way* ahead of paying Comcast for cable.

Cable Free since August 2008 and not missing it one bit; I though I'd miss live sports, but the only thing I really miss is seeing Wimbledon each year.

We did watch (via streaming) the last Super Bowl Denver was in, but it didn't make me want to watch NFL again, and the amount (and quality) of the commercials reminded me of just how much I hate live television.

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Re: TidBITS: Disney Cutting off Netflix to Launch Streaming Service in 2019

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On 19 Aug 2017, at 18:33, SciFiOneA . <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I want the programming recorded on my devices so I can play them back with full controls. Recording is becoming harder and harder to do as DRM increases and streaming devices reduce output connections to HDMI only - which is difficult to record.

Recording OTA is very simple, Get a good antenna, get an HD Home Run, and get Plex.

Done.

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Re: TidBITS: Disney Cutting off Netflix to Launch Streaming Service in 2019

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What would you recommend for recording from Cable TV?
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> On Aug 19, 2017, at 9:36 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On 19 Aug 2017, at 18:33, SciFiOneA . <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I want the programming recorded on my devices so I can play them back with full controls. Recording is becoming harder and harder to do as DRM increases and streaming devices reduce output connections to HDMI only - which is difficult to record.
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> Recording OTA is very simple, Get a good antenna, get an HD Home Run, and get Plex.
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> Done.
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> What would you recommend for recording from Cable TV?

Like I said, an HD Home Run connected to Plex.

<https://www.plex.tv/features/live-tv-dvr/>

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