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Amazon Still Promising Prime Video App for Apple TV in 2017

By Josh Centers
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The Apple TV often feels like a forgotten middle child. Apple’s most exciting announcement for it this year wasn’t a new feature, but an app: Amazon Prime Video, which would let customers view movies and shows purchased from Amazon and stream titles included for free with Amazon Prime subscriptions.

Amazon’s video app is nearly as widespread as Netflix. It’s available on my Sony TV, my Amazon Fire Stick, my PlayStation 4, and even my Nintendo Wii U. Outside of my toaster, it seems that the only device in my house that can’t stream video from Amazon is my Apple TV. (And inside a toaster, it’s awfully hot.)

At this year’s Worldwide Developers Conference, Apple and Amazon finally announced that we would be able to watch Amazon video natively on the Apple TV by the end of the year (see “Apple TV to Get Amazon Prime Video and More Later in 2017,” 5 June 2017). TidBITS readers are champing at the bit for this app! Every time I write anything about the Apple TV, readers ask where the Amazon Prime Video app is.

But it’s December, and Amazon Prime Video for the Apple TV remains vaporware. Is it still due in 2017? Surprisingly, yes. Amazon public relations told me, “Thanks for checking in. Yes, you can expect the launch this year.”

So there you have it — at least Amazon PR is on the record as promising the Amazon Prime Video app before 2018. Keep your eyes peeled for it becoming available any day now for your fourth-generation Apple TV or Apple TV 4K.

That said, I could imagine Amazon shipping the app late in the month to avoid cutting into holiday sales of Amazon Fire TV devices.

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On 1 Dec 2017, at 14:48, TidBITS Articles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Amazon’s video app is nearly as widespread as Netflix. It’s available on my Sony TV, my Amazon Fire Stick, my PlayStation 4, and even my Nintendo Wii U. Outside of my toaster, it seems that the only device in my house that can’t stream video from Amazon is my Apple TV.

Widespread and availabile aren't the same thing. I know a lot of people who use Netflix every day, I know no one who uses Amazon video regularly.

Now, granted, that's not data, that's just my experience, but the only people I hear talking about using Amazon are online personalities who switch between Roku and Apple TV because of Amazon, but I don't know anyone personally doing that and even the people I do know with Roku aren't paying any attention to Amazon video.

Is is widespread? Are a lot of people using it? It sure doesn't fell like it. Where's Amazon's equivalent of Stranger Things, Daredevil, even Fuller House? *THOSE* show I hear about from strangers.

Certainly Amazon is not going to report numbers of users or number of people watching series. The only series I've watched is the first season of Transparent which I watch on the computer and the first season of Grand Tour which I watched on my iPad, but neither of these is how I normally watch video, so I've not seen anything else. (I did watch some pilots, including Tick and Man in the High Castle in a web browser on my computer, but haven't seen the series).

*IF* Amazon follows through on releasing the app not he TV I'll

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> Is is widespread? Are a lot of people using it? It sure doesn't fell like it. Where's Amazon's equivalent of Stranger Things, Daredevil, even Fuller House? *THOSE* show I hear about from strangers.
>

The Tick (which wasn’t that great).  Man in the High Castle gets great reviews, although I can’t watch it because the premise is so absurd (Germany and Japan could never win WWII, even with the atomic bomb).  I think The Americans is theirs.  They do have their own content and some of it gets buzz.  But Amazon really needs to take a lesson from Netflix and drop every episode at once.  Getting cut off in the middle of the season of The Tick is annoying, and the rest won’t drop until February.

I have a Fire TV (think it’s first gen), one Fire along to many ATV’s (2 4th gen currently in use).  For the last few years we buy season passes for my shows on Amazon and my  teenaged daughter's on iTunes, although sometimes that doesn’t happen.  I bought The Orville on iTunes because Amazon didn’t have the season pass at the time, and I bought this season of Agents of SHIELD on iTunes for that reason and because my daughter has taken a sudden interest in it because of Dove Cameron appearing on the show, so now she can watch it on her ATV.  There’s nothing to choose from as far as UI is concerned (both equally annoying in different ways) or picture quality on the old Sony I usually watch on.  Netflix is virtually the same on both, and I’ll flip back and forth between them (sometimes starting on one and finishing on the other) depending on which remote is nearest at hand.  Replacing the Fire will cost a lot less than replacing the ATV, and there are more form factors to choose from.  Now with Movies Anywhere virtually the same movie collection is available on one or the other (bought Despicable Me 3 on iTunes, shows up on the Fire), so the only real distinguishing feature is the TV shows and a few apps on the ATV that I haven’t bothered to hunt down equivalents for on the Fire.  When the ATV Amazon app is released I’ll probably use it, but I’ll probably also replace the Fire if it dies.

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> I think The Americans is theirs.

No, that’s on some cable channel like FX or something.

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I found the Tick to be very good, Mozart in the Jungle is among the best thing I’ve watched in years. I only wish there was more of it. The Grand Tour is better than the show it grew from. 

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No, that’s on some cable channel like FX or something.

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I found the Tick to be very good, Mozart in the Jungle is among the best thing I’ve watched in years. I only wish there was more of it. The Grand Tour is better than the show it grew from. 

We really liked Alpha House on Amazon, but it was too hard to keep our TV connecting to our network at some point, which was necessary for its Amazon app.

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Current season is on FX; past seasons on Amazon. I usually rewatch (or at least skim) the last few episodes of the previous season just before a new season.

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I think The Americans is theirs.

No, that’s on some cable channel like FX or something.

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On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 7:28 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 03 Dec 2017, at 06:13, Paul Schinder <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I think The Americans is theirs.

No, that’s on some cable channel like FX or something.

​The back catalog of The Americans is, in fact, on Amazon Prime. That's how I watched it last year. I also watch Vikings on Amazon, I occasionally watch some movies that are only on Amazon Prime, and I did watch The Man in the High Castle​; the first season was very good, the second pretty good. (I just checked - it's more than the back catalog, it's the full series, though the current season is exclusively on FX until it is done playing in the spring. You can watch it on Amazon a little while later.)

I'm looking forward to having Amazon Prime on Apple TV because I prefer the Apple TV interface over Roku's. 

In addition to their own series, Amazon also shows the back catalog of many HBO series, many of the PBS masterpiece shows such as Downton Abbey and Poldark, and many movies, all for the Prime subscription, none of which are on Netflix or Hulu.

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I suspect this reflects more on who you know than the viewing habits of
the US (world?) at large.

I don't watch Amazon Video. But my 2 grown children do. And several
friends do. They would all LOVE to have a single device for all their
streaming instead of an Apple TV in one room and Roku in another with
maybe a Fire Stick hanging off the TV with the Apple TV.

On 12/2/17 7:20 PM, @lbutlr wrote:
> Widespread and availabile aren't the same thing. I know a lot of people who use Netflix every day, I know no one who uses Amazon video regularly.



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I have Amazon Prime and have only watched The Tick on it. I watch Amazon Prime via my Blu-Ray player, which is not nearly as nice to use for streaming video as the Apple TV. I would probably watch more Amazon Prime TV if it was on the Apple TV. I do not want to add any more gizmos to my TV. 

Perhaps I'm an outlier but I am also refusing to subscribe to any more TV servcies. I have one of the cheapest FiOS TV packages available and get Netflix. I will subscribe to HBO for a few months to watch Game of Thrones but thats it. No Hulu (though I would love to watch The Runaways), no CBS (though I would love to watch the new Star Trek show), nor any other service. I am on a very tight budget and this fragmentation of TV services is going to be a bad thing for the consumer.

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On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 11:43 PM, David Ross <[hidden email]> wrote:
I suspect this reflects more on who you know than the viewing habits of the US (world?) at large.

I don't watch Amazon Video. But my 2 grown children do. And several friends do. They would all LOVE to have a single device for all their streaming instead of an Apple TV in one room and Roku in another with maybe a Fire Stick hanging off the TV with the Apple TV.

On 12/2/17 7:20 PM, @lbutlr wrote:
Widespread and availabile aren't the same thing. I know a lot of people who use Netflix every day, I know no one who uses Amazon video regularly.



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> On Dec 5, 2017, at 7:53 AM, Paul Chernoff <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Perhaps I'm an outlier but I am also refusing to subscribe to any more TV servcies. I have one of the cheapest FiOS TV packages available and get Netflix. I will subscribe to HBO for a few months to watch Game of Thrones but thats it. No Hulu (though I would love to watch The Runaways), no CBS (though I would love to watch the new Star Trek show), nor any other service. I am on a very tight budget and this fragmentation of TV services is going to be a bad thing for the consumer.

I feel the same way, but I’m hoping that eventually they’ll show up on DVD/digital.  Some of the Marvel Netflix series have, and presumably they all will eventually.  If not, then I guess I’ll never watch Discovery or Runaways.  No great loss.

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On 5 Dec 2017, at 05:53, Paul Chernoff <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Perhaps I'm an outlier but I am also refusing to subscribe to any more TV servcies. I have one of the cheapest FiOS TV packages available and get Netflix. I will subscribe to HBO for a few months to watch Game of Thrones but thats it. No Hulu (though I would love to watch The Runaways), no CBS (though I would love to watch the new Star Trek show), nor any other service. I am on a very tight budget and this fragmentation of TV services is going to be a bad thing for the consumer.

I spend very little, but more than I thought, on TV subscriptions. I recently re-evaluated everything thanks to T-mobile adding free Netflix to my account, and in the process of getting this I also reduced my bill substantially by having a plan where the t-mobile rate includes taxes. All in all, this change saved nearly $30/month.

So, since Netflix is free, I didn't feel bad about adding a Hulu subscription. The app is terrible, their UI is terrible, it's trigger happy on shoving an entirely new show at you and hiding shows you've been watching, and they have broken the integration with the TV "TV" app, but still, that covers nearly all the live TV that I or my wife want to see for $12/m.

I also pay for VRV (which covers CrunchyRoll and Funimation and a few other things I watch sporadically) for $10/m and Dramafever (mostly Korean "Kdrama" shows) for $5/m and HBO for $15/m which I should micromanage, but then my wife will complain when it's not there, so it's not worth it.

So, all told I'm paying $42/m for everything that I want monthly of which $15/m for about half the year is just to avoid having my wife be (more) annoyed with me.

The lowest cable we could get here was $65/m which included only the local broadcast channels, downsampled into SD streams, and a bunch of shopping channels. To get any sort of "cable" channels the cost started at $95/m and still wasn't HD.

(This is the actual cost on the monthly bill, not the advertised lying price of $35/m and $65/m which do not include the $15 for the cable box and the $15 for taxes and other charges).

For the $50/m or so I am saving from a basic cable package, I can spend $500/year buying shows on iTunes and I am still coming out ahead. For example, my $42/m doesn't cover the CW which has one show I really like, but that show costs me $20 for the year on iTunes. Sure, I have to watch the show the next day in pristine 1080p with no commercials, but that's just fine with me.

Frankly, I could probably eliminate all the streaming services and simply subscribe to the shows I like and come out ahead, but I do like being able to browse through Netflix, and I have used Hulu to catch up on (or rewatch) some series.

Of course, the math is different for everyone, and if things like sports and live "news" are important to you to have on TV, that's not going to work for you without some cable-like service.

I used to use an antenna to get local HD content, but $12/m for Hulu is just easier.

I suppose, in theory, the HD Home Run is still around here, so we *could* watch local channels live.

Hmm…. I wonder where that is❓ Maybe I'll plug it in to power.

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On Dec 5, 2017, at 10:24 AM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:

> So, since Netflix is free, I didn't feel bad about adding a Hulu subscription. The app is terrible, their UI is terrible, it's trigger happy on shoving an entirely new show at you and hiding shows you've been watching, and they have broken the integration with the TV "TV" app, but still, that covers nearly all the live TV that I or my wife want to see for $12/m.


I don't know if the Hulu app is the same on every platform but the most recent, very colorful change on Roku is definitely worse for me. I can still watch the most recently broadcast shows fairly easily by adding series to "My Stuff" (which is still called the Watchlist on the web), it just requires more navigation to get there.

> For the $50/m or so I am saving from a basic cable package, I can spend $500/year buying shows on iTunes and I am still coming out ahead.


I don't like buying shows because a feel like I'm paying extra to buy, not rent, yet I'll never, ever watch them again. We also watch too many shows to come out ahead.

> For example, my $42/m doesn't cover the CW which has one show I really like, but that show costs me $20 for the year on iTunes. Sure, I have to watch the show the next day in pristine 1080p with no commercials, but that's just fine with me.


On my Roku though the CW app, I can their shows the day after for free (in HD though certainly not pristine, with commercials but probably fewer than in broadcast). They probably have an app that does the same thing on other streaming platforms, it's basically the same as watching on their web site.




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> On my Roku though the CW app, I can their shows the day after for free (in HD though certainly not pristine, with commercials but probably fewer than in broadcast). They probably have an app that does the same thing on other streaming platforms, it's basically the same as watching on their web site.

Yes, I could do that, but it is worth $20/season for me to not have to deal with their commercials, especially how they structure their breaks. I think in one show there was one break in the first half of a show, and five breaks in the second half.

I think it was Jason Snell or maybe Tom Merritt who said they decide the purchase fee was really a renatal fee that just didn't expire, and that made it much easier for them to justify the cost to themselves and he stopped worrying about whether he'd ever watch the show again or not.

I could get by with Hulu and Dramafever and Netflix, which right now would cost me $17/m and covers more than 90% of what I watch. That leaves a *huge* buffer for buying TV series that aren't covered without costing me more than the cheapest cable package I can get that would cover those show, even if you ignore the fact that my Netflix is free.

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