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Sorry about the bounces

adamengst
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Hi folks,

About 100 people were just bounced from TidBITS Talk by Mailman due to a message that caused DMARC failures. I thought I had prevented that in Mailman, but apparently not. I’ve now tweaked the settings again. Blame Yahoo and AOL.


I re-enabled everyone who bounced, I think, but those people should also have gotten a message from Mailman with a link to re-enable the subscription. That’s totally legit, but if you’re getting this message, there’s no need to click it, since you’re active again.

cheers... -Adam



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Re: Sorry about the bounces

Wim Wijnberg

I am on Hotmail; got the message so it is not just yahoo & aol!


Sent from Outlook




From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> on behalf of Adam Engst <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 3:50 PM
To: TidBITS Talk
Subject: Sorry about the bounces
 
Hi folks,

About 100 people were just bounced from TidBITS Talk by Mailman due to a message that caused DMARC failures. I thought I had prevented that in Mailman, but apparently not. I’ve now tweaked the settings again. Blame Yahoo and AOL.


I re-enabled everyone who bounced, I think, but those people should also have gotten a message from Mailman with a link to re-enable the subscription. That’s totally legit, but if you’re getting this message, there’s no need to click it, since you’re active again.

cheers... -Adam



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Re: Sorry about the bounces

adamengst
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I am on Hotmail; got the message so it is not just yahoo & aol!


The problem stems from how Yahoo and AOL set up DMARC; the people who are affected are those on major email providers like iCloud, Hotmail, and Comcast that honor the Yahoo and AOL settings.

cheers... -Adam



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Fw: Sorry about the bounces

Wim Wijnberg
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I am on Hotmail; got the message so it is not just Yahoo & AOL!


Sent from Outlook




From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> on behalf of Adam Engst <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 3:50 PM
To: TidBITS Talk
Subject: Sorry about the bounces
 
Hi folks,

About 100 people were just bounced from TidBITS Talk by Mailman due to a message that caused DMARC failures. I thought I had prevented that in Mailman, but apparently not. I’ve now tweaked the settings again. Blame Yahoo and AOL.


I re-enabled everyone who bounced, I think, but those people should also have gotten a message from Mailman with a link to re-enable the subscription. That’s totally legit, but if you’re getting this message, there’s no need to click it, since you’re active again.

cheers... -Adam



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Re: Sorry about the bounces

Al Varnell
You'll probably come across the later message, but it was Yahoo and AOL's fault in that they were decertifying messages and HotMail respects that decertification. It was their fault that you got that message.

Sent from Janet's iPad

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Mountain View, CA

On Sep 25, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Wim Wijnberg wrote:
I am on Hotmail; got the message so it is not just Yahoo & AOL!

Sent from Outlook


From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> on behalf of Adam Engst <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 3:50 PM
To: TidBITS Talk
Subject: Sorry about the bounces
 
Hi folks,

About 100 people were just bounced from TidBITS Talk by Mailman due to a message that caused DMARC failures. I thought I had prevented that in Mailman, but apparently not. I’ve now tweaked the settings again. Blame Yahoo and AOL.


I re-enabled everyone who bounced, I think, but those people should also have gotten a message from Mailman with a link to re-enable the subscription. That’s totally legit, but if you’re getting this message, there’s no need to click it, since you’re active again.

cheers... -Adam



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Re: Sorry about the bounces

@lbutlr
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On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:22 PM, gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Make Adam's life easier, and yours too:  get an account from a reliable and competent company such as Fastmail.com.  If you pay for your mail service, you get to be a customer instead of ad fodder, which means better security (including for all of your accounts that are linked to your email address), more features, and far better service.  You can still keep your old account to catch straggling senders

Good advice, but even using gmail over the loathsome yahoo is a much better choice. The idiotic DMARC issues have caused me to simply blacklist both yahoo and aol (which, combined, represented less than 1% of my server's legitimate mail and ca. 0% of the desired mail).

Gmail behaves much better.

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Re: Sorry about the bounces

Fritz Mills
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FWIW, I got the message and I use iPage as my hosting provider. I guess that means that email accounts for domains hosted on iPage servers honor the Yahoo and AOL settings. 


On Sep 25, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Adam Engst <[hidden email]> wrote:

I am on Hotmail; got the message so it is not just yahoo & aol!

The problem stems from how Yahoo and AOL set up DMARC; the people who are affected are those on major email providers like iCloud, Hotmail, and Comcast that honor the Yahoo and AOL settings.

cheers... -Adam


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