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Re: Netflix CEO Explains Price Increase, Renames DVD Service

David Ross
On 9/21/11 2:41 PM, Marilyn Matty wrote:
> When Starz and Netflix's streaming distribution agreement ended a few
> months ago, it seemed even less desirable a service to me.

Negotiations ended a few months ago. The distribution agreement is in
place until Feb 2012.
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Dan
At 4:09 PM -0500 9/21/2011, Christopher Kavanaugh wrote:
>When the WSJ wrote about how much money Netflix was making last year
>it made every studio ask for more money.  I think that studios dont
>want another Apple or Amazon or Google so they are raising the rates
>they charge Netflix or not selling them at all. Why give it to them
>cheaply when they can sell it directly.

ah.  So that's why the pirated title selection has been increasing so much.

At 11:52 AM -0700 9/21/2011, Marshall Clow wrote:
>I've become a huge fan of my local public library.
>I see a book recommendation online, copy/paste into the library's
>web site, click on "Request", and forget about it until the email
>titled "Your items are ready for pickup" drops into my inbox.

We have a constant stream of books and DVDs coming from our library.
It's wonderful to have their whole catalog online!  Umpteen books,
8000+ DVD titles, and what they no gots, they can ILL for us!  Yup,
our tax dollars at work.  Eat that Blockbuster.

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Re: Netflix CEO Explains Price Increase, Renames DVD Service

Jack Ziegler
Maybe it's my library, but DVD's I get from my library aren't reliable, scratched, etc.

"A business that makes nothing but money is a poor business."
 - Henry Ford

Sent from my iPad 2

On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:33 AM, Dan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> At 4:09 PM -0500 9/21/2011, Christopher Kavanaugh wrote:
>> When the WSJ wrote about how much money Netflix was making last year
>> it made every studio ask for more money.  I think that studios dont
>> want another Apple or Amazon or Google so they are raising the rates
>> they charge Netflix or not selling them at all. Why give it to them
>> cheaply when they can sell it directly.
>
> ah.  So that's why the pirated title selection has been increasing so much.
>
> At 11:52 AM -0700 9/21/2011, Marshall Clow wrote:
>> I've become a huge fan of my local public library.
>> I see a book recommendation online, copy/paste into the library's
>> web site, click on "Request", and forget about it until the email
>> titled "Your items are ready for pickup" drops into my inbox.
>
> We have a constant stream of books and DVDs coming from our library.
> It's wonderful to have their whole catalog online!  Umpteen books,
> 8000+ DVD titles, and what they no gots, they can ILL for us!  Yup,
> our tax dollars at work.  Eat that Blockbuster.
>
> - Dan.
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Dan
At 1:50 PM -0400 9/22/2011, Jack Ziegler wrote:
>Maybe it's my library, but DVD's I get from my library aren't
>reliable, scratched, etc.

Our library uses a simple cleaning gizmo as needed, esp on the
children's titles.

For discs that aren't cleanable, according to my fav librarian, some
studios charge a  nominal shipping fee, but most will just send the
replacement discs for free.

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Re: Netflix CEO Explains Price Increase, Renames DVD Service

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On Sep 21, 2011, at 14:39, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I've only been using it since January but I've been very satisfied with stream quality and reliability.

I've had some problems with the streams, especially in the last couple of weeks when watching tv shows. In fact, yesterday I tried to watch Fawlty Towers, but had to give up as there were at least 10 pauses or sync issues in the first episode,


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On Sep 21, 2011, at 15:09, Christopher Kavanaugh <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I think  HBO has a good idea, if you get the channel you get the stream for free,

But you can't pay for the stream if you don't get the channel, which is pretty dumb. You have to spend $50-$100 a month or get cable or satellite with HBO, and that I'm not willing to do. I would be perfectly willing to pay for HBO streaming if I could get everything they broadcast.


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Re: Netflix CEO Explains Price Increase, Renames DVD Service

Bob Cunningham
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And no closed captions for the hearing impaired.

On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:09 PM, LuKreme wrote:

> On Sep 21, 2011, at 14:39, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I've only been using it since January but I've been very satisfied with stream quality and reliability.
>
> I've had some problems with the streams, especially in the last couple of weeks when watching tv shows. In fact, yesterday I tried to watch Fawlty Towers, but had to give up as there were at least 10 pauses or sync issues in the first episode,
>
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Re: Netflix CEO Explains Price Increase, Renames DVD Service

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On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:09 PM, LuKreme <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Sep 21, 2011, at 14:39, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I've only been using it since January but I've been very satisfied with stream quality and reliability.
>
> I've had some problems with the streams, especially in the last couple of weeks when watching tv shows. In fact, yesterday I tried to watch Fawlty Towers, but had to give up as there were at least 10 pauses or sync issues in the first episode,

I find it relatively spotty - it can be fine for weeks and then be
utterly horrid for a bit, then better again.

cheers... -Adam
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Re: Netflix CEO Explains Price Increase, Renames DVD Service

Doug Lerner
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I use closed captions with Netflix streaming movies and TV shows all the time. Not all of them have it, but most seem to.

doug

On Sep 23, 2011, at 6:18 AM, Cunningham Bob wrote:

> And no closed captions for the hearing impaired.

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Re: Netflix CEO Explains Price Increase, Renames DVD Service

Curtis Wilcox
On Sep 22, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Doug Lerner wrote:

> I use closed captions with Netflix streaming movies and TV shows all the time. Not all of them have it, but most seem to.

According to Netflix, the figure was 30% but they've been increasing it this year and 80% should have it by the end of this year.

http://blog.netflix.com/2011/02/30-of-netflix-streaming-content-has.html

Their "subtitles" page (don't know why they don't call them captions) lists almost 2000 entries (multi-episode TV shows count as one entry). I don't know how many streams they offer in total but for comparison, they have over 1600 titles in the TV Show category alone.

http://movies.netflix.com/Subtitles

They've also been sued over the relative lack of captioning of their streams.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20072619-38/netflix-sued-by-deaf-group-over-lack-of-subtitles/

I expect that they're getting the caption data from the rights holders in whatever form is used for broadcast TV captions. It probably then has to be converted into a format usable in streams and synced up (I saw some complaints in comments about the sync being bad). You can't just extract captions from DVDs, they'd have to either gin up a system to OCR the captions or pay for transcriptionists.

I wonder if their goal is 80% instead of 100% because 20% of the streaming catalog doesn't have caption data available from the rights holders.


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On 23 Sep 2011, at 06:09 , Curtis Wilcox wrote:
> Their "subtitles" page (don't know why they don't call them captions)

Probably because they consider them the same thing, and are counting all the subtitled movies as being closed captioned. This is probably fair on English-language, Hollywood-produced movies, the English subs will actually be captions for hearing impaired viewers.

Captions include descriptions of audio events on the screen as well as just speech, so for example [DOORBELL] or [PHONE RINGS] or [BEETHOVEN’S SYMPHONY 5] which don’t appear in subtitles. THey also often include things that are obvious on screen even without captions like [sighs] or [laughs].

You will sometimes find that a specific subtitle track on a DVD has been labeled ‘For Hearing impaired” or similar to distinguish. I know I had at least one DVD that had two English subtitle tracks, one the subtitles and one the captions, but I can’t remember which one it was.

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Doug Lerner
I often see notes like [PHONE RINGS] or [PLAYING SOFT MUSIC] or [DOG BARKING OUTSIDE], etc., when I watch streaming NetFlix when subtitles are turned on.

doug

On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:28 PM, LuKreme wrote:

> On 23 Sep 2011, at 06:09 , Curtis Wilcox wrote:
>> Their "subtitles" page (don't know why they don't call them captions)
>
> Probably because they consider them the same thing, and are counting all the subtitled movies as being closed captioned. This is probably fair on English-language, Hollywood-produced movies, the English subs will actually be captions for hearing impaired viewers.
>
> Captions include descriptions of audio events on the screen as well as just speech, so for example [DOORBELL] or [PHONE RINGS] or [BEETHOVEN’S SYMPHONY 5] which don’t appear in subtitles. THey also often include things that are obvious on screen even without captions like [sighs] or [laughs].
>
> You will sometimes find that a specific subtitle track on a DVD has been labeled ‘For Hearing impaired” or similar to distinguish. I know I had at least one DVD that had two English subtitle tracks, one the subtitles and one the captions, but I can’t remember which one it was.


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On 23 Sep 2011, at 06:38 , Doug Lerner wrote:

> I often see notes like [PHONE RINGS] or [PLAYING SOFT MUSIC] or [DOG BARKING OUTSIDE], etc., when I watch streaming NetFlix when subtitles are turned on.

Do you see these when watching a Japanese or French movie with subtitles on?


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Re: Netflix CEO Explains Price Increase, Renames DVD Service

David Vereschagin
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On 23 Sep 2011, at 8:09, Curtis Wilcox wrote:

> Their "subtitles" page (don't know why they don't call them captions)
> lists almost 2000 entries (multi-episode TV shows count as one entry).
> I don't know how many streams they offer in total but for comparison,
> they have over 1600 titles in the TV Show category alone.

Technically, subtitles are different from closed captions.  Subtitles
will have only the dialog (and the subtitles will not necessarily be a
full or direct rendering).  Captions will have both the dialog and any
other meaningful sounds noted (music, a door closing, a telephone
ringing, shots being fired offscreen, etc.)

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Re: Netflix CEO Explains Price Increase, Renames DVD Service

Edward Reid
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At 9/21/2011 12:57 PM -0400, Marilyn Matty wrote:
>- er, I mean Qwikster. This pathetic name, IMHO, sounds like a bad joke.

At least they seem to have had enough foresight to lock down the
obvious misspellings of the domain name. But how effectively can they
build a brand when people spell it half a dozen different ways
already? And why do they think building a brand is easy? Not only is
Netflix a good name in terms of evoking what it's about, it has very
high recognition. Qwikster sounds like a cross between QuickLube and
Napster. Great planning there. As you say, their response to shooting
themselves in the foot seems to be to reload.

>But what's my alternative for DVD rentals now? It's not like I can
>find copies of "The Seven Samurai," or "The Kid" on Redbox.

http://greencine.com seems to have excellent selection, and is
$10/month for one-at-a-time, close to Netflix, I mean Kwicstar. But
they only ship from southern California, which for me (and you in NY)
means an addition two days in the mail each way. To get the same
number of DVDs on the east coast as with Netflix, I mean Cuixtir, you
need the $15 plan.

>BTW, I wonder if the proposed cutbacks in Saturday deliveries and
>price hikes by the USPS had any influence on this decision?

I remember hearing or reading not long ago that the cost of first
class mail concerned Netflix (I mean Cuisinart) more than loss of
Saturday delivery. That was recently enough that they were probably
already in the tunnel of thinking that says people who want to watch
more than one movie a week will stream.

I would be more likely to get Blu-ray DVDs than to stream, if the two
were equally available. Streaming can work but is very frustrating
when I want to re-watch a part. But neither has made enough inroads
to move me. My current queue of 50 entries has 8 available for
streaming and 4 on Blu-ray.

Edward

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Re: Netflix CEO Explains Price Increase, Renames DVD Service

Tomoharu Nishino
On Sep 24, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Edward Reid wrote:

> At 9/21/2011 12:57 PM -0400, Marilyn Matty wrote:
>> - er, I mean Qwikster. This pathetic name, IMHO, sounds like a bad joke.
>
> At least they seem to have had enough foresight to lock down the
> obvious misspellings of the domain name. But how effectively can they
> build a brand when people spell it half a dozen different ways
> already? And why do they think building a brand is easy? Not only is
> Netflix a good name in terms of evoking what it's about, it has very
> high recognition. Qwikster sounds like a cross between QuickLube and
> Napster. Great planning there. As you say, their response to shooting
> themselves in the foot seems to be to reload.

I'm sure some people will confuse this with another, better established brand: Quixtar--a product brand of Amway (with all the potentially negative associations that go along with it).

Imagine people's confusion when they type in www.quixtar.com, and get redirected to Amway's website. Hey, when did Netflix get bought out by Amway!?!

Tn


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