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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

M.Crump

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:41 PM gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
Apple has pulled another stupid move and removed Sierra from Purchases
in MAS.  (El Cap is still available in purchases, since many macs can't
go higher than that.)  Under some circumstances, if you try to reinstall
Sierra from the recovery partition, you'll end up with High Sierra like
it or not, or an older version such as El Cap with no way to get back to
Sierra.

If you already have an archived Sierra installer, it's probably worth
archiving the 10.12.6 combo updater to go with it, just in case:

https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1931?locale=en_US

I just checked with a developer friend, and it's not available in the
developers' download section, either.

It probably won't help, but:

https://www.apple.com/feedback/

Maybe it would be more effective for people to start sending invoices
for time wasted trying to find vanished installers, micromanaging apps
on each iThing, and ISP overage charges for exceeding caps because of
all the extra downloading directly to Tim.

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

M.Crump
Sorry, that is High Sierra. You maybe able to go into the Recovery screen and try to re-download the original OS the device came with and go to the App Store to see if one can get Sierra that way. You can also try the Tony x86 website and see if they have the installer there. 

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:59 PM M.Crump <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:41 PM gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
Apple has pulled another stupid move and removed Sierra from Purchases
in MAS.  (El Cap is still available in purchases, since many macs can't
go higher than that.)  Under some circumstances, if you try to reinstall
Sierra from the recovery partition, you'll end up with High Sierra like
it or not, or an older version such as El Cap with no way to get back to
Sierra.

If you already have an archived Sierra installer, it's probably worth
archiving the 10.12.6 combo updater to go with it, just in case:

https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1931?locale=en_US

I just checked with a developer friend, and it's not available in the
developers' download section, either.

It probably won't help, but:

https://www.apple.com/feedback/

Maybe it would be more effective for people to start sending invoices
for time wasted trying to find vanished installers, micromanaging apps
on each iThing, and ISP overage charges for exceeding caps because of
all the extra downloading directly to Tim.

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

Al Varnell
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Won't hurt to do that, but as a rule they leave the last Update and Combo Update for each OS in the download area forever. I just checked and see the ones for OS X 10.1.5 are still there.

-Al-

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 07:34 PM, gastropod wrote:
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> If you already have an archived Sierra installer, it's probably worth
> archiving the 10.12.6 combo updater to go with it, just in case:



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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

Al Varnell
On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 09:14 PM, gastropod wrote:

>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017, at 08:47 PM, Al Varnell wrote:
>> Won't hurt to do that, but as a rule they leave the last Update and Combo
>> Update for each OS in the download area forever. I just checked and see
>> the ones for OS X 10.1.5 are still there.
>
> Yeah, but as a rule they've left older system installers in Purchases
> too.  Even developers don't have a way to download a Sierra installer if
> they need one.  They seem to be making a determined attempt to erase
> Sierra from the planet, even before HS becomes viable.
Yes, I pointed that out earlier, but a few folks spoke up and said that Sierra was visible in the MAS Purchases page, possibly because they were involved in one of the testing programs. A huge majority of the folks I know involved in testing never saw it there.

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

M.Crump
As a General rule, I usually save the Installer when it is first released before it installs and test it out in a VM. I then test it out for a year and upgrade at that time to that OS. I have done this since 10.8. I do have the macOS Sierra dmg and one option is to seek out those who have download that but since I am technically imn violation of Apple's EULA with a Hackintosh, that is a calculated risk I would take. Does your school have a similar policy? 

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 1:24 AM Al Varnell <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 09:14 PM, gastropod wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017, at 08:47 PM, Al Varnell wrote:
>> Won't hurt to do that, but as a rule they leave the last Update and Combo
>> Update for each OS in the download area forever. I just checked and see
>> the ones for OS X 10.1.5 are still there.
>
> Yeah, but as a rule they've left older system installers in Purchases
> too.  Even developers don't have a way to download a Sierra installer if
> they need one.  They seem to be making a determined attempt to erase
> Sierra from the planet, even before HS becomes viable.

Yes, I pointed that out earlier, but a few folks spoke up and said that Sierra was visible in the MAS Purchases page, possibly because they were involved in one of the testing programs. A huge majority of the folks I know involved in testing never saw it there.

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

Al Varnell
Sorry if I mislead you. I have multiple copies of Every macOS / OS X  and Classic MacOS since 3.5? except for Lion (which I had to skip at the time). I would be the last person to ask you to violate Apple's EULA.

-Al-

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:35 PM, M.Crump wrote:
As a General rule, I usually save the Installer when it is first released before it installs and test it out in a VM. I then test it out for a year and upgrade at that time to that OS. I have done this since 10.8. I do have the macOS Sierra dmg and one option is to seek out those who have download that but since I am technically imn violation of Apple's EULA with a Hackintosh, that is a calculated risk I would take. Does your school have a similar policy? 

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 1:24 AM Al Varnell wrote:
On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 09:14 PM, gastropod wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017, at 08:47 PM, Al Varnell wrote:
>> Won't hurt to do that, but as a rule they leave the last Update and Combo
>> Update for each OS in the download area forever. I just checked and see
>> the ones for OS X 10.1.5 are still there.
>
> Yeah, but as a rule they've left older system installers in Purchases
> too.  Even developers don't have a way to download a Sierra installer if
> they need one.  They seem to be making a determined attempt to erase
> Sierra from the planet, even before HS becomes viable.

Yes, I pointed that out earlier, but a few folks spoke up and said that Sierra was visible in the MAS Purchases page, possibly because they were involved in one of the testing programs. A huge majority of the folks I know involved in testing never saw it there.

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

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Apple has pulled another stupid move and removed Sierra from Purchases
in MAS.  (El Cap is still available in purchases, since many macs can't
go higher than that.) 

Interestingly, I’m not seeing High Sierra in Purchases either, despite having just installed it.

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

dianed143@comcast.net
I am seeing Sierra in my purchased list, with the instruction to Install

Diane

On Sep 29, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Adam Engst <[hidden email]> wrote:

Apple has pulled another stupid move and removed Sierra from Purchases
in MAS.  (El Cap is still available in purchases, since many macs can't
go higher than that.) 

Interestingly, I’m not seeing High Sierra in Purchases either, despite having just installed it.

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

Alexander Forbes

On Sep 29, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Diane <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Sep 29, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Adam Engst <[hidden email]> wrote:

Apple has pulled another stupid move and removed Sierra from Purchases
in MAS.  (El Cap is still available in purchases, since many macs can't
go higher than that.) 

I am seeing Lion, Mountain Lion and Mavericks and Yosemite in Purchases, nothing newer. All show the download option.  I think the dice get stuck in the chute sometimes and Apple has to shake the barrel.




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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

Jerry Weldon
At 8:33 AM -0700 9/29/17, Alexander Forbes wrote:
>I am seeing Lion, Mountain Lion and Mavericks and Yosemite in
>Purchases, nothing newer. All show the download option.  I think the
>dice get stuck in the chute sometimes and Apple has to shake the
>barrel.

Ha! That must be it. :-)

FWIW, I'm seeing every version from Lion to Sierra. Haven't
downloaded High Sierra yet. My main machine can't go above El
Capitan. :-(

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

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On Sep 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Apple has pulled another stupid move and removed Sierra from Purchases in MAS.  

I think this is not correct. If you are on a machine that can update to Sierra you will see Sierra in the purchased list.

IU can't check that, however, as I don't have a machine run-in 10.11.

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

Jerry Weldon
At 11:57 AM -0600 9/29/17, @lbutlr wrote:
>On Sep 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>  Apple has pulled another stupid move and removed Sierra from
>>Purchases in MAS.
>
>I think this is not correct. If you are on a machine that can update
>to Sierra you will see Sierra in the purchased list.

My machine can't run Sierra, but I still see it because I "purchased"
it on another one.

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

Brian L. Matthews
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On 9/29/17 10:57 AM, @lbutlr wrote:
> On Sep 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Apple has pulled another stupid move and removed Sierra from Purchases in MAS.
> I think this is not correct. If you are on a machine that can update to Sierra you will see Sierra in the purchased list.
>
> IU can't check that, however, as I don't have a machine run-in 10.11.

If you've never "purchased" Sierra, it's gone. However, if you have
purchased Sierra in the past, it should show up in your Purchased list.
It does on the two of my machines I checked (both running El Capitan and
both of which show macOS Sierra, OS X El Capitan, and OS X Yosemite in
my Purchased list in MAS).

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

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On Sep 29, 2017, at 1:57 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think this is not correct. If you are on a machine that can update to Sierra you will see Sierra in the purchased list.

IU can't check that, however, as I don't have a machine run-in 10.11.

That does seem to be the case. On my MBAir running Sierra, it is not in the “Purchased” list. However, on my 2007 iMac, which cannot update past El Capitan, Sierra is showing up in the Purchased list on that computer.

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

Francisco Hirsch
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Although I have bought (downloaded) every system from Lion onwards, on my iMac (27-inch, Late 2013) I can only download Mountain Lion, Yosemite and El Capitan. On my wife’s iMac (21 inch, Mid 2011) (using her Apple Id) only Yosemite and El Capitan. No Lion, no Mavericks, no Sierra.
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Apple has pulled another stupid move and removed Sierra from Purchases
in MAS.  (El Cap is still available in purchases, since many macs can't
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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

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I’m running OS Sierra,  seeing from Mt. Lion to El Capitan, nothing else, although in my Application folder there is High Sierra (V-13.0.64, and it shows 5.18 GB size)

Hector
On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:35 AM,9/29/17, M.Crump <[hidden email]> wrote:

As a General rule, I usually save the Installer when it is first released before it installs and test it out in a VM. I then test it out for a s viable.

Yes, I pointed that out earlier, but a few folks spoke up and said that Sierra was visible in the MAS Purchases page, possibly because they were involved in one of the testing programs. A huge majority of the folks I know involved in testing never saw it there.

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

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> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:57 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Sep 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Apple has pulled another stupid move and removed Sierra from Purchases in MAS.
>
> I think this is not correct. If you are on a machine that can update to Sierra you will see Sierra in the purchased list.
>
> IU can't check that, however, as I don't have a machine run-in 10.11.
>

FWIW, when I was running El Cap, it didn’t show up in my Purchased lists although earlier OS’s did, but when I searched for it in the search box, it found it. That same thing may be happening in Sierra as well.






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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

Al Varnell

On Sep 29, 2017, at 3:45 PM, Fritz Mills wrote:
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 12:57 PM, @lbutlr wrote:
>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, gastropod wrote:
>>> Apple has pulled another stupid move and removed Sierra from Purchases in MAS.
>>
>> I think this is not correct. If you are on a machine that can update to Sierra you will see Sierra in the purchased list.
>>
>> IU can't check that, however, as I don't have a machine run-in 10.11.
>
> FWIW, when I was running El Cap, it didn’t show up in my Purchased lists although earlier OS’s did, but when I searched for it in the search box, it found it. That same thing may be happening in Sierra as well.

That's definitely not the case. It's easy enough to try for yourself. Sierra is no longer available from any Apple source with the possible exception of your Recovery HD if you are currently running Sierra. Without considerable user pressure, I don't see that changing.

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

Richard Rettke

On 29 Sep 2017, at 20:29, Al Varnell [hidden email] wrote:

That's definitely not the case. It's easy enough to try for yourself. Sierra is no longer available from any Apple source with the possible exception of your Recovery HD if you are currently running Sierra. Without considerable user pressure, I don't see that changing.

That does not seem to be True.

I have Sierra Installed on my 2012 iMac.

I have El Capitan installed on a 2011 iMac.

On the 2011 El Cap system, When I go to App Store>Purchases; Sierra is available to Install.
It may be important that both systems share the same Apple ID.

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Re: It's too late to download Sierra installer

Al Varnell
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 06:50 PM, Richard Rettke wrote:

On 29 Sep 2017, at 20:29, Al Varnell wrote:

That's definitely not the case. It's easy enough to try for yourself. Sierra is no longer available from any Apple source with the possible exception of your Recovery HD if you are currently running Sierra. Without considerable user pressure, I don't see that changing.

That does not seem to be True.

I have Sierra Installed on my 2012 iMac.

I have El Capitan installed on a 2011 iMac.

On the 2011 El Cap system, When I go to App Store>Purchases; Sierra is available to Install.
It may be important that both systems share the same Apple ID.

I have the identical setup with my 2011 iMac when running El Capitan, but Sierra is not shown on my Purchases page, even though I can reboot to a Sierra External SSD boot drive on that same iMac. All my boot drives from Snow Lion through High Sierra were purchased using the same Apple ID.

-Al-
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Al Varnell
Mountain View, CA








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