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Re: High Sierra ships with iTunes 10.6.2

Mark D. McKean
On 09/25/2017 08:32 pm, gastropod wrote:
> So if you want HS with the older full-featured
> iTunes, download the current version soon before they they update it
> with the more recent iTunes, even if you don't intend to install it yet.

Apparently, unlike previous macOS upgrades, the High Sierra installer
doesn't download the full package before running the install program. At
least, it didn't for me. The Sierra installer downloaded 5 gigs before
running; High Sierra's install app comes up as 19.9MB (even though the
App Store says it's 4.8 GB).

Can anyone else confirm that this happened with them as well? And if
it's not just me, then how can I save the current state of the install
files to install later? Has Apple decided that they don't want anyone to
be able to install any version of High Sierra but whatever is the
current one?

Mark D. McKean
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Re: High Sierra ships with iTunes 10.6.2

Al Varnell
Although you are correct in observing that the installation process with High Sierra is different, the installer you got was only part of what you needed. Ultimately the complete full installer expands to 5,181,809,258 bytes (5.18 GB on disk).

-Al-

On Sep 25, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Mark D. McKean wrote:

> On 09/25/2017 08:32 pm, gastropod wrote:
>> So if you want HS with the older full-featured
>> iTunes, download the current version soon before they they update it
>> with the more recent iTunes, even if you don't intend to install it yet.
>
> Apparently, unlike previous macOS upgrades, the High Sierra installer
> doesn't download the full package before running the install program. At
> least, it didn't for me. The Sierra installer downloaded 5 gigs before
> running; High Sierra's install app comes up as 19.9MB (even though the
> App Store says it's 4.8 GB).
>
> Can anyone else confirm that this happened with them as well? And if
> it's not just me, then how can I save the current state of the install
> files to install later? Has Apple decided that they don't want anyone to
> be able to install any version of High Sierra but whatever is the
> current one?
>
> Mark D. McKean



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Re: High Sierra ships with iTunes 10.6.2

Mark D. McKean
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On 09/25/2017 09:13 pm, gastropod wrote:
> My installer is 5.18 GB, a smidge bigger than the last public beta
> installer.
That does confirm that after install, the full installation package is
stored in the app, so at least archiving the installer shouldn't require
digging out files from anywhere else.

I guess I'll test it out to see at what point the installer actually
downloads the installation files.

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Re: High Sierra ships with iTunes 10.6.2

Mark D. McKean
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On 09/25/2017 09:25 pm, Al Varnell wrote:
> Although you are correct in observing that the installation process with High Sierra is different, the installer you got was only part of what you needed.

Initially, I did as I normally do, which is to simply quit the installer
when it autoruns after downloading so I can archive it. But when it ran
almost immediately after telling the App Store to download it, I knew it
hadn't downloaded the full package.

Now, I actually clicked "Continue" to see when it would download the
rest of the package. But it can't make a connection to "the recovery
server" (apparently swscan.apple.com, according to Little Snitch's
Network Monitor). I've made sure that Little Snitch isn't blocking the
installer from anything, and I can get a successful ping return from
swscan.apple.com (which unsurprisingly redirects through Akamai),
meaning my network connection and DNS resolution are fine.

I'm guessing that the servers are timing out from heavy traffic. Since
it's mid-evening on the west coast, I shouldn't be surprised by
that--every Machead in California is probably trying to upgrade their
home machines right now. I, on the other hand, am in Eastern time, and
probably won't stay up late enough to get past that west-coast surge.
I'll try again tomorrow.

Mark D. McKean
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Re: High Sierra ships with iTunes 10.6.2

Al Varnell
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> On Sep 25, 2017, at 5:32 PM, gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I just finished installing the HS release version (in the US) on a test
> machine, and was surprised to see that it comes with iTunes 12.6.2, not
> the reviled 10.7.  So if you want HS with the older full-featured
> iTunes, download the current version soon before they they update it
> with the more recent iTunes, even if you don't intend to install it yet.
> --
> gastropod

Although I was also a bit surprised, I doubt that they will ever update macOS 10.13.0 with the new iTunes unless a security issue is found with it, rather it should continue to be available as a separate update, at least until 10.13.1 is released. It's not unusual for some Apple apps to update on their own schedule and not be included in the OS installer, causing such regression. I had some background databases that reverted to older versions and were updated in the background about four hours after I finished my install.

Did MAS Updates offer you 12.7?

-Al-


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