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dianed143@comcast.net
I patched my computer (Yosemite) 2-3 weeks ago. Wednesday night I upgraded my iPhone SE to iOS 11

Now I can see text messages from non-iphone users on my laptop. I like that.

Now in Mail, my smart mailboxes are grouping emails by threads. My inbox has always done this but the smart mailboxes had only done one great big list of emails, singly. I have no idea why this changed but I like that too.

Now when I send a text to my SO with an older flip phone, apostrophes are showing up as a few odd characters. He doesn’t like that so much. We haven’t tested to see if any other punctuation is affected.

I am assuming I will see more integration when I upgrade to Sierra?

I am still very unhappy my phone shuts off while on power in the music app. I cannot find a way to fix that. Thinking back, it’s a feature that goes back to the days of the plain iPods, where if they were in a dock they’d stay semi-awake. PLEASE let me know where I can report this as a bug or future fix as I cannot find a place for iOS issues.

I did figure out how to stop the weird zooming affect of the icons, it was buried in accessibility.

I regained a few gigs with my update but lost battery life dammit :(

Diane


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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

Tom Gewecke

> On Oct 7, 2017, at 6:05 AM, Diane <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Now when I send a text to my SO with an older flip phone, apostrophes are showing up as a few odd characters. He doesn’t like that so much.

You can fix that by going the settings > general > keyboard and turning off “smart punctuation”





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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

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> On Oct 7, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Tom Gewecke <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> On Oct 7, 2017, at 6:05 AM, Diane <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Now when I send a text to my SO with an older flip phone, apostrophes are showing up as a few odd characters. He doesn’t like that so much.
>
> You can fix that by going the settings > general > keyboard and turning off “smart punctuation”

That worked! And makes perfect sense. Thank you!

Now if I can fix the music thing I’ll be a happy camper!

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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

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On 07 Oct 2017, at 07:05, Diane <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Now in Mail, my smart mailboxes are grouping emails by threads. My inbox has always done this but the smart mailboxes had only done one great big list of emails, singly. I have no idea why this changed but I like that too.

View => Organize by Conversation. You can set this for any mailbox (or smart mailbox).

> Now when I send a text to my SO with an older flip phone, apostrophes are showing up as a few odd characters. He doesn’t like that so much. We haven’t tested to see if any other punctuation is affected.

His old flip phone probably just has ASCII. This will be a problem with a lot of messages, not just yours. You can, in Messages on the Mac, go to the Edit menu, then Substitutions, and turn off smart quotes, but your messages will then look worse to other people. I am not sure if there is a similar setting on iOS.

> I am still very unhappy my phone shuts off while on power in the music app. I cannot find a way to fix that.

Depending on the age of your phone, picking it up will tun on the screen (but not unlock it).

Personally, I always disliked that the Music app kept the phone screen on. You do have control over this via the auto lock setting in Settings => Display & Brightness => Auto Lock => Never. This means that whenever you want your screen to lock you will need to press the sleep/wake button on the side. There may be other security implications from this setting, but since I don’t use it myself I’m not sure what they are.

I would never leave my iPhone unlocked you sitting out, and not just for paranoid security, but the accidental deleting of content from wandering pets, children, or others mucking about with my phone.

> I regained a few gigs with my update but lost battery life dammit :(

Battery ‘loss' will most likely be temporary.

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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

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On 07 Oct 2017, at 12:35, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
> You do have control over this via the auto lock setting in Settings => Display & Brightness => Auto Lock => Never.

This appears to do what you want. I set it top never and left my phone playing music for the last 10 minutes and the phone has not ruined off the screen.

Keep in mind, this setting will apply to everything, not just music.

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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

Lynne Adema-2
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You can adjust the time for autolock from 30 seconds to never.


On 10/7/2017 1:35 PM, @lbutlr wrote:

> On 07 Oct 2017, at 07:05, Diane <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Now in Mail, my smart mailboxes are grouping emails by threads. My inbox has always done this but the smart mailboxes had only done one great big list of emails, singly. I have no idea why this changed but I like that too.
> View => Organize by Conversation. You can set this for any mailbox (or smart mailbox).
>
>> Now when I send a text to my SO with an older flip phone, apostrophes are showing up as a few odd characters. He doesn’t like that so much. We haven’t tested to see if any other punctuation is affected.
> His old flip phone probably just has ASCII. This will be a problem with a lot of messages, not just yours. You can, in Messages on the Mac, go to the Edit menu, then Substitutions, and turn off smart quotes, but your messages will then look worse to other people. I am not sure if there is a similar setting on iOS.
>
>> I am still very unhappy my phone shuts off while on power in the music app. I cannot find a way to fix that.
> Depending on the age of your phone, picking it up will tun on the screen (but not unlock it).
>
> Personally, I always disliked that the Music app kept the phone screen on. You do have control over this via the auto lock setting in Settings => Display & Brightness => Auto Lock => Never. This means that whenever you want your screen to lock you will need to press the sleep/wake button on the side. There may be other security implications from this setting, but since I don’t use it myself I’m not sure what they are.
>
> I would never leave my iPhone unlocked you sitting out, and not just for paranoid security, but the accidental deleting of content from wandering pets, children, or others mucking about with my phone.
>
>> I regained a few gigs with my update but lost battery life dammit :(
> Battery ‘loss' will most likely be temporary.
>

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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

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> On Oct 7, 2017, at 2:46 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On 07 Oct 2017, at 12:35, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> You do have control over this via the auto lock setting in Settings => Display & Brightness => Auto Lock => Never.
>
> This appears to do what you want. I set it top never and left my phone playing music for the last 10 minutes and the phone has not ruined off the screen.
>
> Keep in mind, this setting will apply to everything, not just music.


Right. What I liked about it the past 10 years though was that the music app would stay on when it was powered in the car.

It seems MotionX GPS still stays on so it’s nothing that was broken system-wide. Just on the Apple side.

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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

Richard Rettke

On 7 Oct 2017, at 15:09, Diane [hidden email] wrote:

Right. What I liked about it the past 10 years though was that the music app would stay on when it was powered in the car.

It seems MotionX GPS still stays on so it’s nothing that was broken system-wide. Just on the Apple side.

Just wondering if this somehow may be related to do not disturb when driving. Perhaps the addition of that feature messed up leaving the music display 'on', or maybe it's working as designed? Just another place to investigate.
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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

dianed143@comcast.net
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> On Oct 7, 2017, at 2:35 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 07 Oct 2017, at 07:05, Diane <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Now in Mail, my smart mailboxes are grouping emails by threads. My inbox has always done this but the smart mailboxes had only done one great big list of emails, singly. I have no idea why this changed but I like that too.
>
> View => Organize by Conversation. You can set this for any mailbox (or smart mailbox).

Damned if that doesn’t work. I hadn’t done it in a Smart Mailbox on the laptop, but I *did* change a setting on the phone after updating, to see if the threading that was lost in iOS 10 had come back.

>
>> Now when I send a text to my SO with an older flip phone, apostrophes are showing up as a few odd characters. He doesn’t like that so much. We haven’t tested to see if any other punctuation is affected.
>
> His old flip phone probably just has ASCII. This will be a problem with a lot of messages, not just yours. You can, in Messages on the Mac, go to the Edit menu, then Substitutions, and turn off smart quotes, but your messages will then look worse to other people. I am not sure if there is a similar setting on iOS.

Yep, it’s an old Razr. I’ll see if others complain now that it works for him. I only changed it on my phone, not on the Mac. Most of my friends are on smartphones so I may have to pick the lesser of two evils here.

>
>> I am still very unhappy my phone shuts off while on power in the music app. I cannot find a way to fix that.
>
> Depending on the age of your phone, picking it up will tun on the screen (but not unlock it).

It’s an SE and yes, it does do that.

>
> Personally, I always disliked that the Music app kept the phone screen on. You do have control over this via the auto lock setting in Settings => Display & Brightness => Auto Lock => Never. This means that whenever you want your screen to lock you will need to press the sleep/wake button on the side. There may be other security implications from this setting, but since I don’t use it myself I’m not sure what they are.
>
> I would never leave my iPhone unlocked you sitting out, and not just for paranoid security, but the accidental deleting of content from wandering pets, children, or others mucking about with my phone.

So where this is especially handy for me is when I’m driving. The phone sits in a mount, plugged in (both Aux and power). It will dim at the one minute mark but never turn off, same is if you’re using the Maps app for GPS. So there’s no one to touch it at that point.

I *could* set it to Never but that leaves me open to forgetting and losing the battery from that. At least it used to dim the way it worked before.

Every now and then I get to a song I’m not in the mood for and I'd just need to tap the screen and then hit the next arrow. Or back if I want to sing it again. Now it’s an actual press of the button and what pops up is smaller than if I was in the Music app. After my Touch button died, I’m a bit gunshy about using the home button any more than I have to!

That *only* worked if I was in the music app and powered. If I just had the Aux plugged in, the phone would lock in a minute. Same if I was sitting on one of the home screens or in any other app other than Maps. Or if the phone was sitting on my desk playing.

I still need to get a deck for my newer car and am hoping now that I can find one with a remote to control the phone. Way back when I had a wired remote for for the iPods which I would clip to my key ring. I loved that thing.

Is there a way to get the old white remote that used to work on the Dock to work on a phone?


>
>> I regained a few gigs with my update but lost battery life dammit :(
>
> Battery ‘loss' will most likely be temporary.

I’m hoping. It’s pretty bad right now. I’m at 45% for the day and I haven’t used the phone much.

Thanks for your input!
Diane




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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

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> On Oct 7, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Lynne Adema <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> You can adjust the time for autolock from 30 seconds to never.

I know, but for it to work like it did before I’d have to set it to Never and it would be across everything, not just the Music app while powered. So it’s a last resort.

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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

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On Oct 7, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Richard Rettke <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 7 Oct 2017, at 15:09, Diane [hidden email] wrote:

Right. What I liked about it the past 10 years though was that the music app would stay on when it was powered in the car.

It seems MotionX GPS still stays on so it’s nothing that was broken system-wide. Just on the Apple side.

Just wondering if this somehow may be related to do not disturb when driving. Perhaps the addition of that feature messed up leaving the music display 'on', or maybe it's working as designed? Just another place to investigate.




I actually that it was the problem, but I don’t have that turned on at all. It could still be a reason in the programming.

Diane




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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

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On 07 Oct 2017, at 14:21, Diane <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Every now and then I get to a song I’m not in the mood for and I'd just need to tap the screen and then hit the next arrow. Or back if I want to sing it again. Now it’s an actual press of the button and what pops up is smaller than if I was in the Music app. After my Touch button died, I’m a bit gunshy about using the home button any more than I have to!

In most states it is illegal to touch your phone while driving (or in many states while in the driver’s seat period, even if at a stoplight, stopped in a massive traffic jam, or even parked on the side of the road).

“Hey Siri, skip.”

“Hey Siri, go back”

“Hey Siri, play The Guess Who”

This will not work if the audio is coming from the phone, but will if it connected to your car stereo or some other audio output.

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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

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> On Oct 7, 2017, at 5:39 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 07 Oct 2017, at 14:21, Diane <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Every now and then I get to a song I’m not in the mood for and I'd just need to tap the screen and then hit the next arrow. Or back if I want to sing it again. Now it’s an actual press of the button and what pops up is smaller than if I was in the Music app. After my Touch button died, I’m a bit gunshy about using the home button any more than I have to!
>
> In most states it is illegal to touch your phone while driving (or in many states while in the driver’s seat period, even if at a stoplight, stopped in a massive traffic jam, or even parked on the side of the road).



All that aside…. thanks for the Siri instructions. We typically don’t get along but I’m willing to give it a shot. I am guessing that won’t work if it’s plugged in through the AUX though? I’ll have to experiment with that. I have old cars with old sound systems so right now everything works off the phone.


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> On Oct 7, 2017, at 5:39 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
> while in the driver’s seat period, even if at a stoplight, stopped in a massive traffic jam, or even parked on the side of the road).
>
> “Hey Siri, skip.”
>
> “Hey Siri, go back”
>
> “Hey Siri, play The Guess Who”
>
> This will not work if the audio is coming from the phone, but will if it connected to your car stereo or some other audio output.

Well OK - it works when the phone is sleeping next to me! I expect issues with the windows down but I am buying a Siri compatible deck for one of the cars and hopefully the mic will work well.

You have, at least temporarily, made me very happy. :) I had lock set to off on my quick drive and it got much hotter than it used to when when semi-asleep.

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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

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On 10/7/17 5:39 PM, @lbutlr wrote:
> In most states it is illegal to touch your phone while driving (or in many states while in the driver’s seat period, even if at a stoplight, stopped in a massive traffic jam, or even parked on the side of the road).
Err. Not really.

Per:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictions_on_cell_phone_use_while_driving_in_the_United_States

19 states prohibit hand held cell phone use while driving. (And I bet
the definition of driving varies by state)
And I know in some of these hands free is OK.

19 is NOT most.

But it is a mix. When I travel by car I try and catch up to current laws.

David


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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

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On 07 Oct 2017, at 21:05, David Ross <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 19 is NOT most.

I thought it was more. Still, touching the phone while driving is a bad idea in general, even if not illegal.

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Re: Phone vs computer since iOS 11 update

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Touching my phone in my car is much less of a distraction issue than
touching my radio, heater controls, wipers, high beams, cruse controls,
etc... I have my phone setup to play podcasts. if a call comes in one
touch answers it or not. Or Siri does things for me.

And there's many a time I just pull over to figure out what exactly
Google Maps is trying to tell me. But paying attention to its lane
guidance is much safer than suddenly trying to decide if cutting across
4 lanes at 60mph makes sense because it wasn't obvious from the signage
that the exit I need was on the left and not the right side of the road.
Or better yet trying to read the road sign hidden by the overpass.

Most of the laws are about holding a cell phone in your hand. You can
argue that taking on it or using Google Maps is bad but most law is
about holding one.

On 10/8/17 6:11 PM, @lbutlr wrote:
> On 07 Oct 2017, at 21:05, David Ross <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> 19 is NOT most.
> I thought it was more. Still, touching the phone while driving is a bad idea in general, even if not illegal.
>



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