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Not My Day!

Charles Hawkins
All,

I got several interesting responses to my earlier email about the Seagate drive.  I read through them and went on to other stuff.  I deleted another email and the computer suddenly went down my inbox deleting several messages.  Fortunately it quit.  Unfortunately, it deleted the entire thread of responses.  This is what I would call a “hard delete”; these things were not sent to the trash, they are just gone as though they had never been there.  I checked on another Mac and via webmail to the server, and these and a couple of others are just gone.

I didn’t realize there was a hard delete function in Mail.  I *do* know that option-empty trash will do a hard delete of the trash.  Does option-delete in Mail do that?

If there is a place at Tidbits where I can retrieve those responses, I’d love to have the info.

The broader issue, which some of you might give me some insight into is this:  The iMac periodically goes into this fit where it enters some key combination repeatedly.  It may be a delete, add new tab in FfX, hard close tabs in FfX, or just enter a bunch of weird characters.  Or not respond to the keyboard. 

Here is the setup:  This is a 27” iMac (iMac 17,1) with a wireless keyboard, mouse, and trackpad.  I’ve observed this odd behavior off and on, and it seems to stop if I plug one or more of the wireless devices into the computer.  At first it seemed that this meant their batteries were getting low, although it seemed odd that it only took one of them to be down to 92%± for this to happen,  Today all three had been charged and when I checked right after the delete incident, all three read 100%.  I plugged the keyboard into a USB port and the weird behavior stopped.

Another oddity, which may or may not be related, is that I have a NewerTech numerical pad that works fine with my MBP, but will not sync with the iMac.  Well, it did sync once and worked for a few weeks, then stopped and now won’t sync.

Is this an issue with the WiFi in the iMac?  Interference of some sort?

Ideas?

Chuck

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Re: Not My Day!

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On 2017-06-28, 5:57 PM Charles Hawkins wrote:
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If there is a place at Tidbits where I can retrieve those responses, I’d love to have the info.

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Re: Not My Day!

Alexander Forbes
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On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Charles Hawkins <[hidden email]> wrote:

I didn’t realize there was a hard delete function in Mail. 

Advance apologies if you already knew this: if you are running under Sierra, the default is to "stack" the whole thread consecutively, so if you delete the listing, all replies to that thread are deleted. There is probably a preference setting to remove this behavior, or revert to "classic" Mail presentation, but I rather like it this way.

Under El Capitan or lower, deleting a piece of mail only sends that piece to Trash. If there is a way to "hard delete," I don't know it. You did look in the Trash? - your "deleted" mail should have been there.

If your server mail is on pure IMAP, selecting the Erase Deleted Items menuitem will delete on all your machines and devices and on the server. If you are on pure POP mail, a delete or other action only affects the current user machine. From what I have read, custom and hybrid systems like Google and the late Yahoo mail behavior is anyone's guess.

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Re: Not My Day!

Charles Hawkins
The issue here is that I didn’t delete the stack.  The computer did; i.e., there was a string of deletes that I didn’t initiate.  Read my email:  there was nothing in the trash.  These emails were just GONE to the bit bucket.

I’m on Office 365 (through my former university), and I think that is IMAP.  So it may be that there was some fake key combination that did the Erase Deleted items you mentioned.

Chuck

On Jun 28, 2017, at 9:21 PM, Alexander Forbes <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Charles Hawkins <[hidden email]> wrote:

I didn’t realize there was a hard delete function in Mail. 

Advance apologies if you already knew this: if you are running under Sierra, the default is to "stack" the whole thread consecutively, so if you delete the listing, all replies to that thread are deleted. There is probably a preference setting to remove this behavior, or revert to "classic" Mail presentation, but I rather like it this way.

Under El Capitan or lower, deleting a piece of mail only sends that piece to Trash. If there is a way to "hard delete," I don't know it. You did look in the Trash? - your "deleted" mail should have been there.

If your server mail is on pure IMAP, selecting the Erase Deleted Items menuitem will delete on all your machines and devices and on the server. If you are on pure POP mail, a delete or other action only affects the current user machine. From what I have read, custom and hybrid systems like Google and the late Yahoo mail behavior is anyone's guess.

Alex


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Re: Not My Day!

Jerome King-2
This sometimes happens if you have an iMap account and deleted the messages with another, different device.  The IMAP server is telling your Mac that the messages have been deleted
On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:00 PM, Charles Hawkins <[hidden email]> wrote:

The issue here is that I didn’t delete the stack.  The computer did; i.e., there was a string of deletes that I didn’t initiate.  Read my email:  there was nothing in the trash.  These emails were just GONE to the bit bucket.

I’m on Office 365 (through my former university), and I think that is IMAP.  So it may be that there was some fake key combination that did the Erase Deleted items you mentioned.





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