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Sam Silverman
Today Mail marked 70% of my incoming mail as Junk. Almost all of the mail were from people that I regularly get stuff from and it is always received as “good” mail.

I checked preferences and nothing has changed. The box that says “if the Sender of Messages is in my previous recipients” do NOT class it as Junk Mail is still checked.

Anybody else seeing anything like this?

Anyone have any ideas?

TIA,

Sam


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Re: Mail marking everything as Junk

Kim Gammelgaard

> Den 27. jun. 2017 kl. 04.45 skrev Sam Silverman <[hidden email]>:
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> Today Mail marked 70% of my incoming mail as Junk. Almost all of the mail were from people that I regularly get stuff from and it is always received as “good” mail.
>
> I checked preferences and nothing has changed. The box that says “if the Sender of Messages is in my previous recipients” do NOT class it as Junk Mail is still checked.
>
> Anybody else seeing anything like this?

Yes, it happened once or twice for me over the years,

> Anyone have any ideas?

Use the reset button in Preferences->Junk Mail at the bottom and start educating Mail again. Somehow the algorithms are overloaded and freak out. Heuristics is not always easy.


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> TIA,
>
> Sam

Best regards

Kim


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Re: Mail marking everything as Junk

Curtis Wilcox
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On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:45 PM, Sam Silverman <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Today Mail marked 70% of my incoming mail as Junk. Almost all of the mail were from people that I regularly get stuff from and it is always received as “good” mail.
>
> I checked preferences and nothing has changed. The box that says “if the Sender of Messages is in my previous recipients” do NOT class it as Junk Mail is still checked.

In your Junk Mail settings, do you have "Trust junk mail headers in messages" checked? Perhaps your email provider's anti-spam software has a problem and is scoring legitimate messages incorrectly. If I remember correctly, Verizon stopped doing its own email hosting and has turned that over to Yahoo Mail.




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Re: Mail marking everything as Junk

Sam Silverman
Curtis -

That could be it! I’ve unchecked the box and see what it does.

Sam

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:45 PM, Sam Silverman <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Today Mail marked 70% of my incoming mail as Junk. Almost all of the mail were from people that I regularly get stuff from and it is always received as “good” mail.
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>> I checked preferences and nothing has changed. The box that says “if the Sender of Messages is in my previous recipients” do NOT class it as Junk Mail is still checked.
>
> In your Junk Mail settings, do you have "Trust junk mail headers in messages" checked? Perhaps your email provider's anti-spam software has a problem and is scoring legitimate messages incorrectly. If I remember correctly, Verizon stopped doing its own email hosting and has turned that over to Yahoo Mail.
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Re: Mail marking everything as Junk

@lbutlr
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On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:45 PM, Sam Silverman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Today Mail marked 70% of my incoming mail as Junk. Almost all of the mail were from people that I regularly get stuff from and it is always received as “good” mail.
>>
>> I checked preferences and nothing has changed. The box that says “if the Sender of Messages is in my previous recipients” do NOT class it as Junk Mail is still checked.
>
> In your Junk Mail settings, do you have "Trust junk mail headers in messages" checked? Perhaps your email provider's anti-spam software has a problem and is scoring legitimate messages incorrectly.

When that happened to me a couple of years ago, that was the exact cause. Of course, I complained to my email provider, me, and told him to get his act together and fix the mail server, which he eventually did after I got up the next morning.

> If I remember correctly, Verizon stopped doing its own email hosting and has turned that over to Yahoo Mail.

And Yahoo is *terrible* at email. I finally blocked them entirely from my mail server after the latest news about how they concealed their leaking hundreds of millions of email account passwords. I just assume anything coming from yahoo servers is junk and reject it immediately.


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Re: Mail marking everything as Junk

Jason Kerr
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On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:
 If I remember correctly, Verizon stopped doing its own email hosting and has turned that over to Yahoo Mail. 

I was going to stay out of this, but when @lbutler chimed in ...

You're almost right - Verizon did shut down their email service. But the Yahoo acquisition wasn't closed when they forced the move, so they moved everyone to AOL. Good ol' AOHell.

Of course, they handled it very badly. In early April they sent an email saying that Verizon email was shutting down as of May 8, and everyone had to accept AOL or go to another system. (If you went to AOL, your email and address directory were moved automatically. If you chose another vendor, you were on your own.)

But they lied. Around April 20 they put up an interstitial that forced you to make the choice then and there. If you chose AOL, (I presume) you were directed to Verizon mail. If you chose to move to another vendor then you were closed out ... Access to Verizon email was closed. Sucks to be you!

Fortunately, I had already moved my mother to Gmail and ported over enough of her email to keep most mail threads alive. (And I had changed over several retail accounts with email-as-username.)

Let's just say a few choice words left my lips when I found she was locked out in late April.




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Re: Mail marking everything as Junk

Curtis Wilcox
On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Jason Kerr <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:
 If I remember correctly, Verizon stopped doing its own email hosting and has turned that over to Yahoo Mail. 

I was going to stay out of this, but when @lbutler chimed in ...

You're almost right - Verizon did shut down their email service. But the Yahoo acquisition wasn't closed when they forced the move, so they moved everyone to AOL. Good ol' AOHell.

I brought up Yahoo. I don't know anything about the transition but Sam's original email had Yahoo headers.

A number of cable providers use Yahoo to host their mail, I wonder if they'll change due to the acquisition.



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Re: Mail marking everything as Junk

Sam Silverman
Yup. I’m on Yahoo. Verizon email with Yahoo servers. When I signed up for Fios the installer asked me if “I liked Yahoo?”. In those dark days I used it as a search engine. Next thing I knew I was on Verizon - through Yahoo. Weird.

Sam
On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Jason Kerr <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:
 If I remember correctly, Verizon stopped doing its own email hosting and has turned that over to Yahoo Mail. 

I was going to stay out of this, but when @lbutler chimed in ...

You're almost right - Verizon did shut down their email service. But the Yahoo acquisition wasn't closed when they forced the move, so they moved everyone to AOL. Good ol' AOHell.

I brought up Yahoo. I don't know anything about the transition but Sam's original email had Yahoo headers.

A number of cable providers use Yahoo to host their mail, I wonder if they'll change due to the acquisition.


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Re: Mail marking everything as Junk

Marilyn Matty
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On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:


A number of cable providers use Yahoo to host their mail, I wonder if they'll change due to the acquisition.


I recently read these two interesting articles in the media trade press:

Tim Armstrong Unveils Oath: AOL-Yahoo Is As Big As Netflix And Looking To Expand:

What Will Happen To Yahoo Mail?

Marilyn



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Re: Mail marking everything as Junk

Jerome King-2
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I don't think that Verizon EVER had its own email service.  I'm pretty sure that they were providing email service via a contract with Yahoo

Jerry
On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:20 PM, Sam Silverman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Yup. I’m on Yahoo. Verizon email with Yahoo servers. When I signed up for Fios the installer asked me if “I liked Yahoo?”. In those dark days I used it as a search engine. Next thing I knew I was on Verizon - through Yahoo. Weird.




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Re: Mail marking everything as Junk

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Of course they did. I've had Verizon email with my FIOS account. It was POP-only. I have never seen a shred of evidence it was Yahoo-hosted. A month ago, I had to move to an AOL-hosted IMAP account, although it is still verizon.net. Why would they be rolling out a transfer from Yahoo to AOL, just as they were completing their acquisition of Yahoo?


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I don't think that Verizon EVER had its own email service.  I'm pretty sure that they were providing email service via a contract with Yahoo




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Re: Mail marking everything as Junk

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Verizon HAD their own email servers. When they ditched email I did not have to change to AOL because I was on Yahoo’s servers. My wife who was on a sub account had to change to AOL. My Temple has Verizon DSL. They have several email accounts and all had to be changed to AOL. Please note that ALL of the above mentioned accounts were VERIZON.NET

Sam
On Jun 29, 2017, at 8:04 AM, Jeffrey Jones <[hidden email]> wrote:

Of course they did. I've had Verizon email with my FIOS account. It was POP-only. I have never seen a shred of evidence it was Yahoo-hosted. A month ago, I had to move to an AOL-hosted IMAP account, although it is still verizon.net. Why would they be rolling out a transfer from Yahoo to AOL, just as they were completing their acquisition of Yahoo?


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I don't think that Verizon EVER had its own email service.  I'm pretty sure that they were providing email service via a contract with Yahoo



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Re: Mail marking everything as Junk

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On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:16 AM, Sam Silverman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Verizon HAD their own email servers. When they ditched email I did not have to change to AOL because I was on Yahoo’s servers. My wife who was on a sub account had to change to AOL. My Temple has Verizon DSL. They have several email accounts and all had to be changed to AOL. Please note that ALL of the above mentioned accounts were VERIZON.NET

Out of curiosity, I checked what severs are the email handlers for the verizon.net domain name, they're all AOL. That means every email sent to you and everyone else that uses Yahoo Mail has to first pass through one of these servers which must maintain a record of which mail host you use so it can relay them to Yahoo. It probably also means there's at least one email address associated with your Yahoo Mail account other than your @verizon.net; it could be as simple as '[hidden email].com' (which is a real hostname BTW).

'dig verizon.net MX'




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Re: Mail marking everything as Junk

Sam Silverman
Intersting…..
On Jun 29, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:16 AM, Sam Silverman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Verizon HAD their own email servers. When they ditched email I did not have to change to AOL because I was on Yahoo’s servers. My wife who was on a sub account had to change to AOL. My Temple has Verizon DSL. They have several email accounts and all had to be changed to AOL. Please note that ALL of the above mentioned accounts were VERIZON.NET

Out of curiosity, I checked what severs are the email handlers for the verizon.net domain name, they're all AOL. That means every email sent to you and everyone else that uses Yahoo Mail has to first pass through one of these servers which must maintain a record of which mail host you use so it can relay them to Yahoo. It probably also means there's at least one email address associated with your Yahoo Mail account other than your @verizon.net; it could be as simple as '[hidden email].com' (which is a real hostname BTW).

'dig verizon.net MX'



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