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Libre Office Problem

Avrum Lapin

I had a problem in upgrading from LibreOffice 5.4.2 to 5.4.4..  After downloading from the LibreOffice site  and putting it into the Application Folder and opening the application I got an alert window stating “Verifying LibreOffice..” which stayed open for 23 minutes before being getting a “This application has been  downloaded from the internet. Do you want to open” and then it opened.  Future openings were fast.

This is not new, long “verifying”  has happened with previous upgrades.

Note previous attempts to do this upgrade have taken longer to verify (in excess of 30 minutes).  I only got the time down to 23 minutes by doing one or more of the following things - removing the previously installed version and setting the Energy Saver to “Never” and doing a restart.

Why does this take so long.

Still using 10.9.5 (the latest upgrade that will allow me to use a beloved but elderly Samsung laser printer). I have 8 GB in my MacMini. 


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Re: Libre Office Problem

Curtis Wilcox
On Feb 5, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Avrum Lapin <[hidden email]> wrote:


I had a problem in upgrading from LibreOffice 5.4.2 to 5.4.4..  After downloading from the LibreOffice site  and putting it into the Application Folder and opening the application I got an alert window stating “Verifying LibreOffice..” which stayed open for 23 minutes before being getting a “This application has been  downloaded from the internet. Do you want to open” and then it opened.  Future openings were fast.

Still using 10.9.5 (the latest upgrade that will allow me to use a beloved but elderly Samsung laser printer). I have 8 GB in my MacMini. 

If I google '"os x" slow verify' some of the first hits are about LibreOffice so you're definitely not alone. The age of your Mac Mini (and/or it using a magnetic drive) could be factors that stretch out the time but are not the real source of the problem.


"Verifying" is the operating system's Gatekeeper feature trying to ensure the application you downloaded is legitimate. Maybe the LibreOffice folks don't do the cryptographic signing correctly, making it take longer; or maybe they're one of the few doing it correctly. There are over 150 Java files within LibreOffice, I wonder if checking each of those takes longer. You could just skip the verification and assume the download is legitimate; even LibreOffice's system requirements page suggests it.





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Re: Libre Office Problem

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On Feb 6, 2018, at 05:16, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:
> There are over 150 Java files within LibreOffice, I wonder if checking each of those takes longer.

Yes it does. Even on a quad core i7 iMac the verification takes a long time.

> You could just skip the verification and assume the download is legitimate; even LibreOffice's system requirements page suggests it.

When I was still using it, that’s exactly what I did.

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FireFox

Wim Wijnberg
I am set-up to automatically receive updates from Firefox.
So, last night I received a mail that a new update was available and I downloaded it; WRONG MOVE!
Mail is now not usable.  I see my mail folders and all but when I try to read a message and try to click on a link, Firefox immediately closes the mail and returns to the mail list!
Does anyone else have that problem?
Chromium does not display this kind of behavior; am I forced to change browser?

Thanks,

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Re: FireFox

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On Feb 6, 2018, at 13:25, Wim Wijnberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Mail is now not usable.  I see my mail folders and all but when I try to read a message and try to click on a link, Firefox immediately closes the mail and returns to the mail list!

Not enough information. Firefox is not a mail client, so you’re leaving out some information. If you use Firefox to access webmail, which one? Do you know what webmail  they use? (Roundcube, Squirrelmail, etc).

If other browsers work, then this is either a Firefox problem, or a problem with YOUR Firefox. Have you tried using a different account on your Mac?

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Re: FireFox

John Burt
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On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Wim Wijnberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
 am I forced to change browser?

​LuKreme is correct about needing more info.

But something to consider is Firefox ESR which solved some problems I had a few months back. It is a less modern version of Firefox designed for enterprise situations but with full security updates.​
 


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Re: FireFox

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On Feb 7, 2018, at 2:37 PM, SciFiOneA . <[hidden email]> wrote:

​LuKreme is correct about needing more info. 

But something to consider is Firefox ESR which solved some problems I had a few months back. It is a less modern version of Firefox designed for enterprise situations but with full security updates.​
 


Yes, Firefox Extended Support Release updates come out every six weeks, just like regular Firefox, but whereas the frequent updates contain both bug fixes and feature changes/additions in the regular version, ESR has only the bug fixes. ESR's features change once a year, when the major version number "jumps" to match the version number of the regular version. There's a little overlap between these major ESR releases.

The current Firefox ESR's major version number is 52 and was released March 2017. The next ESR will be version 60, released in May 2018 but there will be one more minor update to ESR 52 after that. The most important thing about the timing of ESR 52 was that's when Firefox added support for CSS Grid, a major step forward in how to layout web sites. Interest in Firefox ESR spiked in the fall when the regular version dropped support for the browser's previous standard for how extensions are written (I think ESR 52 also still permits more plugins).

So go ahead and use ESR for now but after August, if you want a Firefox version that still gets security updates, you'll have to switch to one that has all the changes you haven't liked in versions 53 through 60. Or look for a third party fork that is frozen in time in the ways you like but still incorporates upstream changes you want (i.e. security updates). It looks like Waterfox may fit that bill.






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Re: FireFox

Wim Wijnberg
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I am using hotmail to access e-mail and have been (somewhat) satisfied with it.

Before the last Firefox update, I could open a mail to read it and use my mouse to activate a link or scroll through a long mail.  Right now, when I click on an open mail -anywhere in the body- the mail is closed and I am back in the mailbox I started from.

Neither the Chromium nor the Safari browser act this way.

I hate to give up on Firefox because I have found it quite easy to use.

However, this current behavior does force me away to a different browser!


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On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Wim Wijnberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
 am I forced to change browser?

LuKreme is correct about needing more info.

But something to consider is Firefox ESR which solved some problems I had a few months back. It is a less modern version of Firefox designed for enterprise situations but with full security updates.
 


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Re: FireFox

John Burt
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Thanks Curtis. I never quite figured out the differences even after reading online. Now I know.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Feb 7, 2018, at 2:37 PM, SciFiOneA . <[hidden email]> wrote:

​LuKreme is correct about needing more info. 

But something to consider is Firefox ESR which solved some problems I had a few months back. It is a less modern version of Firefox designed for enterprise situations but with full security updates.​
 


Yes, Firefox Extended Support Release updates come out every six weeks, just like regular Firefox, but whereas the frequent updates contain both bug fixes and feature changes/additions in the regular version, ESR has only the bug fixes. ESR's features change once a year, when the major version number "jumps" to match the version number of the regular version. There's a little overlap between these major ESR releases.

The current Firefox ESR's major version number is 52 and was released March 2017. The next ESR will be version 60, released in May 2018 but there will be one more minor update to ESR 52 after that. The most important thing about the timing of ESR 52 was that's when Firefox added support for CSS Grid, a major step forward in how to layout web sites. Interest in Firefox ESR spiked in the fall when the regular version dropped support for the browser's previous standard for how extensions are written (I think ESR 52 also still permits more plugins).

So go ahead and use ESR for now but after August, if you want a Firefox version that still gets security updates, you'll have to switch to one that has all the changes you haven't liked in versions 53 through 60. Or look for a third party fork that is frozen in time in the ways you like but still incorporates upstream changes you want (i.e. security updates). It looks like Waterfox may fit that bill.






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Re: Libre Office Problem

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On 2018-02-08 (17:40 MST), gastropod <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018, at 10:47 AM, @lbutlr wrote:
>> On Feb 6, 2018, at 05:16, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> There are over 150 Java files within LibreOffice, I wonder if checking each of those takes longer.

>> Yes it does. Even on a quad core i7 iMac the verification takes a long time.

> This doesn't match my experience, and I finally got around to timing it.  On a 2.7 GH i5 iMac and a spinning disk running Sierra, I installed a fresh download of Libre.  There was the usual verify step opening the disk image which took ~ 10 seconds, copy to Applications took ~ 5 seconds.  First launch produced the Gatekkeeper verify progress bar, but it took 25 seconds, not minutes.  Then it did some first launch things of it's own for ~ ten more seconds.  So it's slower than a smaller app, but not painfully.

25 seconds on gatekeeper is much longer than basically any other app I launch. Normally the gatekeeper verification is 1-3 seconds.

> If it's taking many minutes,

On an old Mac mini.

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Re: Libre Office Problem

Al Varnell
On Thu, Feb 08, 2018 at 06:20 PM, @lbutlr wrote:
On 2018-02-08 (17:40 MST), gastropod wrote:
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018, at 10:47 AM, @lbutlr wrote:
On Feb 6, 2018, at 05:16, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:
There are over 150 Java files within LibreOffice, I wonder if checking each of those takes longer.

Yes it does. Even on a quad core i7 iMac the verification takes a long time.

This doesn't match my experience, and I finally got around to timing it.  On a 2.7 GH i5 iMac and a spinning disk running Sierra, I installed a fresh download of Libre.  There was the usual verify step opening the disk image which took ~ 10 seconds, copy to Applications took ~ 5 seconds.  First launch produced the Gatekkeeper verify progress bar, but it took 25 seconds, not minutes.  Then it did some first launch things of it's own for ~ ten more seconds.  So it's slower than a smaller app, but not painfully.

25 seconds on gatekeeper is much longer than basically any other app I launch. Normally the gatekeeper verification is 1-3 seconds.

Evidently you never installed and launched Xcode.

The length of time needed for verification is clearly related to the number of separate files included in the application bundle, each of which must be independently checked for a valid signature. Most apps don't have nearly as many as these two. According to RB App Checker Lite, LibreOffice 6.0.1 contains 14,175 files, 441 executable. 

If it's taking many minutes,

On an old Mac mini.

Yes, a faster Mac would help, but the only thing that would make a measurable difference would be an SSD.

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