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Doug Lerner
When I first installed Lion a couple of months ago I thought it was pretty cool and had fun sliding with magic mouse gestures between the desktops.

But as time wore on, I realized it was really inconvenient when trying to copy/paste between windows that were open in different desktops. I started using the dock option to "assign to all desktops" more and more.

Finally two months later I notice if I open Mission Control that all my apps are in one crowded desktop again, and only the dashboard shows as another desktop with windows in it.

So what I originally thought was a cool feature has turned out to be unused.

I also never use Launchpad. It's the most redundant feature in Lion. I already had access to my apps in pop-up format with the apps folder in my dock.

Let's see. What else. Mail. I like the conversation view (though I'm never quite sure what I'm deleting if I delete something in my inbox - am I deleting just the current message or the whole conversation?) But what's really really annoying about Mail is that pasting an image into a new mail has become extremely slow. There is always a 15-20 second pause before you can continue. Also, it is somewhat buggy. I often can't locate sent mail in the sent folder for an account even when I can find it in the global sent folder.

Safari seems slower too.

In fact, I've seen lots more "beach balls" since upgrading to Lion. I am using an iMac, 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 12 GB of RAM.

Then there are the things which completely broke. For example, saving a web page to PDF and opening it up in Preview no longer retains the hot links like it did before Lion.

Two months after upgrading to Lion I'm wondering - why did I upgrade? What benefits are there? What do other people think? Is there anything at all in Lion that was worth the upgrade?

doug

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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

Marc Zeedar
Doug Lerner on 9/26/11 at 7:36 PM wrote something to the effect of:

>But as time wore on, I realized it was really inconvenient when trying
>to copy/paste between windows that were open in different desktops. I
>started using the dock option to "assign to all desktops" more and
>more.

You can assign keyboard shortcuts to jump between Spaces. I do
this and don't find any issues in copying/pasting between
windows on different Spaces. I do that frequently and having a
keyboard shortcut definitely makes it much easier than mousing
because I can keep my hands on the keyboard.

For me, Spaces/Mission Control is my favorite feature ever. I
could not live without it. I tend to be working on many projects
at once and having each in a separate Space is a lifesaver. My
only gripe is that the windows of apps (even some of Apple's)
still don't remember which Space they were in (especially
Finder) so after a reboot (rare) I have to spend 10 minutes
rearranging all my windows onto the correct Space.


>I also never use Launchpad. It's the most redundant feature in Lion.

I agree 100% with this one. It's also the most limited and
frustrating interface to work with. For instance, on an iPad
with a touch screen, it make sense you can only drag one icon at
a time into a folder. But why can't I draw a selection box
around multiple icons and drag them into a folder in one go?

Another flaw is that at least on my system, there are multiple
icons for the same app (I assume I have multiple copies of the
app installed). But there's no way from the icon to tell which
icon launches which version of the app. They all look the same
and you can't get info. Even worse, you can't *delete* icons to
get rid of the duplicates! (I finally created a folder of
"unused" apps where I put the duplicates. Insane.)

But even after taking an hour to organize Launchpad, I still
never use it!



>Let's see. What else. Mail. I like the conversation view (though I'm
>never quite sure what I'm deleting if I delete something in my inbox -
>am I deleting just the current message or the whole conversation?)

Look for the blue selection ring around the current message. If
that's there, you're deleting just that message. If it it's not,
you're deleting the entire conversation.

Apple should definitely make this more clear. But at least the
Undo works great if you accidentally delete a whole conversation
and you just wanted to delete one message.


>But what's really really annoying about Mail is that pasting an image
>into a new mail has become extremely slow.

I've never seen that. Sounds like something unique to your system.

What I have noticed that annoys me is when I copy a graphic from
Safari and paste it into an email (something I used to do with
no problem) it insists on pasting the URL to the image instead
of the image itself. I find I have to drag the image from Safari
into the email message to get the actual picture to display.


>Safari seems slower too. In fact, I've seen lots more "beach balls"
>since upgrading to Lion. I am using an iMac, 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
>with 12 GB of RAM.

I have the opposite opinion. Safari is *worlds* better than
under Snow Leopard. I normally have about six windows open with
about 20 tabs in each. Under SL, Safari would typically be using
over 1GB of real memory. Under Lion the memory is split between
the Safari application and an invisible process called "Web
Content." The two usually run about 150MB each for me which is
way less than 1GB.

Occasionally when I'm doing some heavy lifting in Safari the
"Web Content" process will jump to 500MB, but unlike the old
Safari where once it gobbled memory it never gave it back, under
Lion that will go down automatically. If it doesn't, I can
always just force that "Web Content" process to quit. It doesn't
hurt anything (as long as I don't have any data entered into a
web form or anything like that). All the tabs just need to be
refreshed, which is fine for me. After force quitting "Web
Content" it goes back to 100MB or less.

*Note* I should mention that I did remove the Flash plugin
completely from Safari, so that could be a significant reason
why it's working so much better for me. I hate Flash with a
white-hot passion. So far I've only noticed good things doing
this (including being able to tell people who email me silly
video links that I'm not capable of viewing them so they might
as well not bother -- missing a few cat videos isn't going to
ruin my life and might even improve it).


>Two months after upgrading to Lion I'm wondering - why did I upgrade?
>What benefits are there? What do other people think? Is there anything
>at all in Lion that was worth the upgrade?

To me the benefits are subtle but important. Perhaps not *vital*
but definitely nice. I have several machines and some are still
running Leopard or Snow Leopard and I frequently find myself
missing a Lion feature when I use those machines.

Some of my favorite features:

  - QuickLook now works for items found via Spotlight, so you
    get an instant preview of the contents of the found file --
    awesome for telling the difference between two similarly
    named files.

  - QuickLook also works on URLs in Mail. I *love* this as I can
    quickly preview a link someone has sent me to decide if it's
    worth bothering with. (My chief complaint here is that the
    preview window is *not* resizable, which is lame, as some
    sites render way too small to be readable.)

  - The quick dictionary lookup feature (Control-click a word and
    select "Look up in Dictionary" is even better now and shows you
    Wikipedia and other content right there as well (without having
    to launch the Dictionary app).

  - Preview is *amazing* now. It not only launches instantly and
    reopens all previously open files, but it lets you do stuff like
    re-arrange the pages in a PDF (even dragging in pages from a
    different PDF, resize/retouch images, etc. For most people it's
    all the image editor they need.

  - Reader view in Safari is awesome. I especially like that I can
    email the contents of the Reader view (great for forwarding
    someone an actual article without all the crappy web ads
    and such). You can also create PDFs of the Reader view for later
    offline viewing (I sync the PDFs to my iPad via Dropbox and
    read them there).

  - The whole OS seems much faster and more polished. The main
    machine I use is an ancient white MacBook with 3GB of RAM and
    Lion just flies. (I did upgrade to an SSD which definitely
    is a big factor, but I had that under Snow Leopard and Lion is
    even more responsive and faster).

There's nothing earth-shattering about Lion, but I'm very
pleased with it. I could go back to SL, but why?

-- Marc

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      Marc Zeedar  *  Publisher  *  Real Studio Developer Magazine
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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

cben
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Yes I agree -- If you enjoy beach balls upgrade to Lion -- I am unimpressed for the things I like to use.

The beach balls are everywhere.

Charlie


On Sep 25, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Doug Lerner wrote:

> When I first installed Lion a couple of months ago I thought it was pretty cool and had fun sliding with magic mouse gestures between the desktops.
>
> But as time wore on, I realized it was really inconvenient when trying to copy/paste between windows that were open in different desktops. I started using the dock option to "assign to all desktops" more and more.
>
> Finally two months later I notice if I open Mission Control that all my apps are in one crowded desktop again, and only the dashboard shows as another desktop with windows in it.
>
> So what I originally thought was a cool feature has turned out to be unused.
>
> I also never use Launchpad. It's the most redundant feature in Lion. I already had access to my apps in pop-up format with the apps folder in my dock.
>
> Let's see. What else. Mail. I like the conversation view (though I'm never quite sure what I'm deleting if I delete something in my inbox - am I deleting just the current message or the whole conversation?) But what's really really annoying about Mail is that pasting an image into a new mail has become extremely slow. There is always a 15-20 second pause before you can continue. Also, it is somewhat buggy. I often can't locate sent mail in the sent folder for an account even when I can find it in the global sent folder.
>
> Safari seems slower too.
>
> In fact, I've seen lots more "beach balls" since upgrading to Lion. I am using an iMac, 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 12 GB of RAM.
>
> Then there are the things which completely broke. For example, saving a web page to PDF and opening it up in Preview no longer retains the hot links like it did before Lion.
>
> Two months after upgrading to Lion I'm wondering - why did I upgrade? What benefits are there? What do other people think? Is there anything at all in Lion that was worth the upgrade?
>
> doug
>
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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

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On Sep 25, 2011, at 10:36 PM, Doug Lerner typed:

> But as time wore on, I realized it was really inconvenient when trying to copy/paste between windows that were open in different desktops. I started using the dock option to "assign to all desktops" more and more.

There are several things I find annoying about the interface that are related to this. I have been used to just dragging embedded graphics from Safari or Mail into places like Yojimbo. There doesn't seem to be a way to do this from full screen mode.

> Let's see. What else. Mail. I like the conversation view (though I'm never quite sure what I'm deleting if I delete something in my inbox - am I deleting just the current message or the whole conversation?) But what's really really annoying about Mail is that pasting an image into a new mail has become extremely slow. There is always a 15-20 second pause before you can continue. Also, it is somewhat buggy. I often can't locate sent mail in the sent folder for an account even when I can find it in the global sent folder.

Also, in Mail, it seems that it sort of goes modal when working on a message in full screen mode. There doesn't seem to be an obvious way to select the message viewer to look at other messages as you are composing. Or, even just drag it out of the way to peek at the full text of the message to which you are replying. I often want to use snippets from several other emails in the one I’m writing now.

And how about ways to use the second desktop monitor when something is in full screen mode?

I get the feeling a lot of this iPad-style interface stuff in Lion needs heavy tweaking.

L^2








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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

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On 25 Sep 2011, at 20:36 , Doug Lerner wrote:

> When I first installed Lion a couple of months ago I thought it was pretty cool and had fun sliding with magic mouse gestures between the desktops.
>
> But as time wore on, I realized it was really inconvenient when trying to copy/paste between windows that were open in different desktops. I started using the dock option to "assign to all desktops" more and more.
>
> Finally two months later I notice if I open Mission Control that all my apps are in one crowded desktop again, and only the dashboard shows as another desktop with windows in it.
>
> So what I originally thought was a cool feature has turned out to be unused.

I keep lots of apps open across 9 desktops. My issue with Mission Control is that 1) you cannot assign the Finder to a single desktop (Yu can, it just doesn’t do anything) and 2) apps tend to migrate desktop for inexplicable reasons.

> I also never use Launchpad.

No, I don’t use Launchpad. In fact, I can’t stand Launchpad.

> Let's see. What else. Mail. I like the conversation view (though I'm never quite sure what I'm deleting if I delete something in my inbox - am I deleting just the current message or the whole conversation?) But what's really really annoying about Mail is that pasting an image into a new mail has become extremely slow. There is always a 15-20 second pause before you can continue. Also, it is somewhat buggy. I often can't locate sent mail in the sent folder for an account even when I can find it in the global sent folder.

Hmm.. I don’t have any speed issues with Mail.app

> Safari seems slower too.

Did you install Flash? Safari is very fast here, and moving between tabs or history pages is very smooth.

> In fact, I've seen lots more "beach balls" since upgrading to Lion. I am using an iMac, 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 12 GB of RAM.

Better than my 2006 MacPro.

> Two months after upgrading to Lion I'm wondering - why did I upgrade? What benefits are there? What do other people think? Is there anything at all in Lion that was worth the upgrade?

Mail’s favorite bar and Mission Control were worth it to me. Also, the terminal services that allow me to connect to the kids' computer and generate my OWN desktop even while they are using the machine would be worth $100 all by itself. I also like the arrangement features in the finder, hiding system preferences I rarely use, and being able to select a bunch of files in the finder and ‘create folder with these items’.

Oh, and I very much like Resume, Auto-save, and all those related features.

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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

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On 26 Sep 2011, at 09:14 , Lee Larson wrote:

> full screen mode.
>
> full screen mode.
>
> full screen mode?


The short explanation is that Full Screen mode in Lion is a severely broken feature that comes off as having been half-done. There are so many things wrong with FSM I could write 10,000 words on it and not touch on them all.

That said, for some users it really makes the machine a lot more usable and simple. put Mail and Safari and iTunes into FSM on a 21” iMac or a laptop and pretend you’re a typical grandmother. Not so bad?

For me, it is simply unusable.
 
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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

Neil Laubenthal
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I agree…Safari speed is better. I am using the Gruber method of no Flash and opening any Flash required links in Chrome.


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On 2011-09-26, at 12:40, LuKreme <[hidden email]> wrote:

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>
>
>> Safari seems slower too.
>
> Did you install Flash? Safari is very fast here, and moving between tabs or history pages is very smooth.
>
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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

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I've found Launchpad to be very useful. I've cleared most of the icons
from my dock and removed the Applications folder that was there.

Launchpad allowed me to rearrange the icons, so I moved the Terminal
application from my Utilities folder in Launchpad and put it right in
the launchpad desktop.

I've also set up my Launchpad, so the most commonly used apps are on
the first page, secondary apps are on the second page, and apps I
don't use are in a folder labeled "Useless Junk" on my third page.

I also like Mission Control and really started to use Spaces now. If I
find myself copying and pasting between two applications, I can easily
combine them both on the same page. I have 16 applications open (so
much for a smaller Dock) and I have eight spaces. You can easily use
Cmd-Tab to switch between applications even if they're on two
different spaces for copy pasting.

Full Screen Mode is not so much used by me.
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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

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On Sep 28, 2011, at 7:58 AM, David Weintraub wrote:

> I also like Mission Control and really started to use Spaces now. If I
> find myself copying and pasting between two applications, I can easily
> combine them both on the same page. I have 16 applications open (so
> much for a smaller Dock) and I have eight spaces. You can easily use
> Cmd-Tab to switch between applications even if they're on two
> different spaces for copy pasting.

That's actually another irritant. In Lion, Cmd-Tab doesn't seem to always work right if the two applications are in different desktops. Often times you have to Cmd-Tab 3 times to get to the app you targeted because instead of opening the app you want it opens the app with the top most window in the other desktop. Really annoying.

Also, what about not just simple copy/paste, but where you want to drag from one window to another. That doesn't work well between desktops.

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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

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On Wed Sep 28 17:09:02 2011, Doug Lerner spake thus:
>
> In Lion, Cmd-Tab doesn't seem to always work right if the two applications are in different desktops. Often times you have to Cmd-Tab 3 times to get to the app you targeted because instead of opening the app you want it opens the app with the top most window in the other desktop. Really annoying.

That's not just a Lion thing, Spaces definitely does this in Snow Leopard too, and for all I know has always had this problem. It's drove me nuts to start with, but I've kind of got used to it now :(. That and applications that I've pinned to a specific space having brief fits of opening their windows in a different space (I'm looking at you, BBEdit and Terminal).

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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

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On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Nigel Stanger wrote:

>> In Lion, Cmd-Tab doesn't seem to always work right if the two applications are in different desktops. Often times you have to Cmd-Tab 3 times to get to the app you targeted because instead of opening the app you want it opens the app with the top most window in the other desktop. Really annoying.
>
> That's not just a Lion thing, Spaces definitely does this in Snow Leopard too, and for all I know has always had this problem. It's drove me nuts to start with, but I've kind of got used to it now :(. That and applications that I've pinned to a specific space having brief fits of opening their windows in a different space (I'm looking at you, BBEdit and Terminal).

I never used Spaces in Snow Leopard, so that is interesting to know. I'm surprised they didn't fix that going up to Lion.

What really drives me crazy lately is that every time I paste an image into Mail I have to wait for about 15 seconds of beach-balls before I can go on and continue writing my email. That never ever happened in Snow Leopard.

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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

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> Also, what about not just simple copy/paste, but where you want to drag from one window to another. That doesn't work well between desktops.

Works for me. Pick up the items, command tab to the app, drop the items. But that's no different than in 10.6 or 10.5.
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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

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Overall I like it. Safari has huge problems when left running for
awhile. It'll suck up all your memory if you let it. I currently have
one web page open, no flash installed and the "Safari Web Content"
process takes up 424 MB and the "Safari" process takes up 164 MB. Close,
reopen to the same page Safari takes up 79.2 MB and Safari Web Contents
47.1 MB.  I've seen this grow to several GB until I made it a habit of
making sure to close/reopen Safari occasionally during long sessions.

Safari also has a weird habit of reloading pages when you switch between
tabs. Very annoying, and a good way to wipe out a form you were working
in but switched away to look something up. iOS does this as well, but
with the memory constraints there it makes a little bit more sense.

I like Launchpad. Rearranging apps is annoying but i rarely have to do
it (do it a lot more on iOS). I've got all the apps i use 80% of the
time arranged onto one screen, grouped into folders and it works well
for me. Biggest annoyance is I can't remove apps I don't want
(double-checking this, I am getting the little X on some apps to remove
them, but it's 4 out of about 50).

I use gestures with the magic trackpad (I have an iMac) a lot. I do run
into some issues when remote controlling the Mac from another computer
and can't use the gestures. Natural scrolling has stopped bugging me, in
fact i now have more problems on my Windows computer at work scrolling
the wrong way than i do on the Mac (and I use Windows at work way more
than the Mac at home.)

Full screen mode seems better than Spaces in the previous versions. I
like how it integrates with full-screen mode. If you have a 2nd monitor
it is useless (covered with a linen background) in FSM, biggest
annoyance I've found.

Spaces works OK for me. I try not to get carried away with having too
many. I only have 2 apps tagged to be in all spaces and those are ones i
put on the 2nd montior (PCalc and Twiterrific). I usually have 3 spaces.
#1 is general work, #2 is apps that are running but I don't look at
often (currently Radioshift and the Server app). And iTunes running FSM.
I'll create a space for a specific task when I need one, otherwise just
new ones for apps I put in FSM.

Don't use Apple's Mail app. I use Postbox. It doesn't support full
screen mode yet, I wish it did.

Kevin

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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

Rodney

On Sep 30, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Kevin van Haaren wrote:

> Full screen mode seems better than Spaces in the previous versions. I
> like how it integrates with full-screen mode. If you have a 2nd monitor
> it is useless (covered with a linen background) in FSM, biggest
> annoyance I've found.

Right now, the only app I use in full screen mode is iTunes.  I have it open most of the time, so I’m glad to have it in its own space out of the way.  For the way I work, Mail is awful full-screen.  I assume full screen mode will improve as applications (and users) make better use of it.

I am especially looking forward to the day when Adobe releases a version of CS that makes good use of full screen mode and Spaces.  I truly detest the Mac GUI for these products, and much prefer the Windows GUI.

> Spaces works OK for me. I try not to get carried away with having too
> many. I only have 2 apps tagged to be in all spaces and those are ones i
> put on the 2nd montior (PCalc and Twiterrific). I usually have 3 spaces.
> #1 is general work, #2 is apps that are running but I don't look at
> often (currently Radioshift and the Server app). And iTunes running FSM.
> I'll create a space for a specific task when I need one, otherwise just
> new ones for apps I put in FSM.

I liked Snow Leopard Spaces, and hate them under Lion.  If anybody writes “Take Control of Spaces” for Lion, I’ll probably buy it.  Under Snow Leopard, I had Adobe CS applications configured to open in a separate Space from the one containing mail, my web browser(s), etc.  If I clicked the application name in the task bar, I’d be switched to the Space containing the application.

I can’t get that to work properly under Lion.  When I open Dreamweaver, I have to manually drag it to a separate Space.  Then, it has a nasty habit of jumping back to another Space.  I even have seen cases where I’d try to upload a file, for example, and the dialog box would open in a separate space.  If I’m in another Space and click the Dreamweaver icon after it is open, then I seem to get Dreamweaver in the space I’m in rather than being switched to the space containing Dreamweaver.  Very annoying.



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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

Alan Forkosh


On Sep 30, 2011, at 6:10 AM, Rodney wrote:

>>
>
> I liked Snow Leopard Spaces, and hate them under Lion.  If anybody writes “Take Control of Spaces” for Lion, I’ll probably buy it.  Under Snow Leopard, I had Adobe CS applications configured to open in a separate Space from the one containing mail, my web browser(s), etc.  If I clicked the application name in the task bar, I’d be switched to the Space containing the application.
>
> I can’t get that to work properly under Lion.  When I open Dreamweaver, I have to manually drag it to a separate Space.  Then, it has a nasty habit of jumping back to another Space.  I even have seen cases where I’d try to upload a file, for example, and the dialog box would open in a separate space.  If I’m in another Space and click the Dreamweaver icon after it is open, then I seem to get Dreamweaver in the space I’m in rather than being switched to the space containing Dreamweaver.  Very annoying.
>
>


You can pin an application to a space. What you need to do is open the application and move it to the appropriate space in Mission Control (dragging its window toward the upper right corner will create a new space for it. Then control-click the icon in the Dock (or use any other normal method to display the Dock menus. Tap and hold on the Options item to display the submenu that lets you pick whether to assign the application to the current desktop (new term for space), have it appear on all desktops, or not give it any specific assignment.

I didn't use Spaces before but have now set up an arrangement where Mail, Safari, and iTunes all are assigned to distict desktops. I use iTunes as the hub of my home audio system, so its nice to able to play with Airplay assignments or playlists separately from 'real' work. I find it's also convenient to go through an email message with multiple links, select 'Open Link behind Mail' for each link and then switch desktops to read the indexed web pages. To me, it's lot neater than managing overlapping Mail and Safari windows.

I probably could have done all this under Spaces, but never was motivated enough to figure it out.


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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

Diane Ross
On 9/30/11 9:51 AM, "Alan Forkosh" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>(dragging its window toward the upper right corner will create a new
>space for it.

I only get this behavior if I drag to upper left corner. Did some testing
and it's because I show my Dock on the right side of my monitor.

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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

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On 29 Sep 2011, at 22:09 , Kevin van Haaren wrote:

> Overall I like it. Safari has huge problems when left running for
> awhile. It'll suck up all your memory if you let it.

I have not seen this in 5.1. Safari runs for days, even weeks. Occasiaonlly, under heavy use, Safari spikes up to a combined real memory use of 1GB, but it does that under heavy use regardless of how long its been running. It then settles down over time.

I had to reboot yesterday to install a new UPS, so I don’t have data to hand, but before the power outage and the Dead UPS I know I’d been up over 10 days and Safari was running the entire time.

HOWEVER, I do not have Flash installed.

> I currently have
> one web page open, no flash installed and the "Safari Web Content"
> process takes up 424 MB and the "Safari" process takes up 164 MB. Close,
> reopen to the same page Safari takes up 79.2 MB and Safari Web Contents
> 47.1 MB.  I've seen this grow to several GB until I made it a habit of
> making sure to close/reopen Safari occasionally during long sessions.

These are not meaningful numbers though. All your doing by quitting and restarting is clearing cache that it’s holding for things like flipping through our browser history (two finger swipes, Personally, I like having instant access to my browser history and am more likely to be annoyed when it gets cleared.

> Safari also has a weird habit of reloading pages when you switch between
> tabs. Very annoying, and a good way to wipe out a form you were working
> in but switched away to look something up. iOS does this as well, but
> with the memory constraints there it makes a little bit more sense.

I can’t figure that one out. Sometimes I am able to keep something in another tab static for a long time and sometimes I am not.

> I like Launchpad. Rearranging apps is annoying but i rarely have to do
> it

I took one look at the 8 pages of apps it showed me and decided I was never going to take the time to INDIVIDUALLY move every single app around into some sort of arrangement. If it respected the folder structure of the system when creating the Launchpad then it could be useful.

> Full screen mode seems better than Spaces in the previous versions. I
> like how it integrates with full-screen mode. If you have a 2nd monitor
> it is useless (covered with a linen background) in FSM, biggest
> annoyance I've found.

I like FSM on the laptop, not otherwise. Not even on the 21” iMac. And yes, it’s completely and totally useless with multiple screens.

> Don't use Apple's Mail app.

The favorites (and the fact that you get command-key combos for them automatically) keep me on Mail.app.


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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

Kim Gammelgaard
With regards to Safari, I have had the http://maclegion.com/ with a timer and counter open for some time, as I was pondering whether to buy or not. Apparently that particular home page gave me serious problems with regards to gobbling up RAM. Just having it run for a few hours would result in Gigabytes of web process usage ( I have seen up to 4.x GB at one point).

I have Click2Flash installed and have not had any problems that could be related to that in this context, but I am sure Flash would do badly too.

It was almost driving me crazy that I had to close Safari in order to open Aperture, even with 8 GB RAM, but After closing the Maclegion page, I now see 400 MB usage for the web process having 6 open tabs in Safari with no Flash either.

Choose your Safari tabs/windows wisely!

Best regards,

Kim


Den 01/10/2011 kl. 16.03 skrev LuKreme:

>
> On 29 Sep 2011, at 22:09 , Kevin van Haaren wrote:
>
>> Overall I like it. Safari has huge problems when left running for
>> awhile. It'll suck up all your memory if you let it.
>
> I have not seen this in 5.1. Safari runs for days, even weeks. Occasiaonlly, under heavy use, Safari spikes up to a combined real memory use of 1GB, but it does that under heavy use regardless of how long its been running. It then settles down over time.

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Re: Is anybody finding Mission Control useful - or anything else in Lion?

Qazwart
Pathfinder has issues with MissionControl and LaunchPad. I had to make
some changes in the way Pathfinder and Finder work.

Thus, if you're running Pathfinder, and find certain things in Mission
Control and Lauchpad seem not to be working as advertised, try
shutting down Pathfinder and using Finder. CocoaTech has information
on their website that allows Pathfinder to play nicely with Lion.
There are still one or two minor issues. (For example, if you try to
switch Mission Control desktops by <Control-Clicking> on them,
Pathfinder will suddenly show its desktop icons in Mission Control).
However, Pathfinder and Lion do work together.

I understand that Safari has memory problems. And, for a while, I
tried leaving Safari for Chrome. Unfortunately, I am addicted to
Reader. It makes web browsing so much better. I also like the Read
Later option. Quick, simple, and convenient. I know that Chrome and
Firefox can use Readability, but they've changed Readability from a
simple clean-the-mess reader into some sort of bloated service. I'm
sticking with Safari.

To solve my Safari memory issues, I used my Windows problem solving
toolkit: I added more memory. I've upgraded from 2Gb (which seemed
sufficient for Snow Leopard) to 16Gb. The total cost was less than
$70. Now, if Safari wants 3 or more Gigabytes of memory, it can take
it without slowing everything else down.

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