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Fritz Mills


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Subject: [IP] Adobe: Flash to EOL in 2020
Date: July 25, 2017 at 12:40:24 PM CDT
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From: Richard Forno <[hidden email]>
Date: July 25, 2017 at 1:04:22 PM EDT
To: Infowarrior List <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Adobe: Flash to EOL in 2020

(can't come soon enough!  -- rick)

Flash & The Future of Interactive Content

https://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2017/07/adobe-flash-update.html

Posted by Adobe Corporate Communications on July 25, 2017

Adobe has long played a leadership role in advancing interactivity and creative content – from video, to games and more – on the web. Where we’ve seen a need to push content and interactivity forward, we’ve innovated to meet those needs. Where a format didn’t exist, we invented one – such as with Flash and Shockwave. And over time, as the web evolved, these new formats were adopted by the community, in some cases formed the basis for open standards, and became an essential part of the web.

But as open standards like HTML5, WebGL and WebAssembly have matured over the past several years, most now provide many of the capabilities and functionalities that plugins pioneered and have become a viable  alternative for content on the web. Over time, we’ve seen helper apps evolve to become plugins, and more recently, have seen many of these plugin capabilities get incorporated into open web standards. Today, most browser vendors are integrating capabilities once provided by plugins directly into browsers and deprecating plugins.

Given this progress, and in collaboration with several of our technology partners – including Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Mozilla – Adobe is planning to end-of-life Flash. Specifically, we will stop updating and distributing the Flash Player at the end of 2020 and encourage content creators to migrate any existing Flash content to these new open formats.

Several industries and businesses have been built around Flash technology – including gaming, education and video – and we remain committed to supporting Flash through 2020, as customers and partners put their migration plans into place. Adobe will continue to support Flash on a number of major OSs and browsers that currently support Flash content through the planned EOL. This will include issuing regular security patches, maintaining OS and browser compatibility and adding features and capabilities as needed. We remain fully committed to working with partners, including Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Mozilla to maintain the security and compatibility of Flash content. [To see each partner’s announcement on this news, click on the links inside each partner name.] In addition, we plan to move more aggressively to EOL Flash in certain geographies where unlicensed and outdated versions of Flash Player are being distributed.

Adobe will also remain at the forefront of leading the development of new web standards and actively participate in their advancement. This includes continuing to contribute to the HTML5 standard and participating in the WebAssembly Community Group. And we’ll continue to provide best in class animation and video tools such as Animate CC, the premier web animation tool for developing HTML5 content, and Premiere Pro CC.

Looking ahead, Adobe will continue to provide the best tools and services for designers and developers to create amazing content for the web.




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Re: Fwd: [IP] Adobe: Flash to EOL in 2020

Marilyn Matty

---- Fritz Mills <[hidden email]> wrote:


> >>
> >> Given this progress, and in collaboration with several of our technology partners – including Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Mozilla – Adobe is planning to end-of-life Flash. Specifically, we will stop updating and distributing the Flash Player at the end of 2020 and encourage content creators to migrate any existing Flash content to these new open formats.

The mercy killing won't happen till 2020? Do they really mean it this time? I'm not singing Ding Dong The Flash Is Dead just yet.

Marilyn



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Re: [IP] Adobe: Flash to EOL in 2020

Curtis Wilcox
On Jul 27, 2017, at 10:38 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

The mercy killing won't happen till 2020? Do they really mean it this time? I'm not singing Ding Dong The Flash Is Dead just yet.

In addition to what Adobe says they'll do is what the browser makers say they'll do which includes steps they've already taken and ones they will take which treat it more and more as a second-class citizen.


Firefox Roadmap for Flash End-of-Life: Starting next month [Firefox 55 in August], users will choose which websites are able to run the Flash plugin. Flash will be disabled by default for most users in 2019, and only users running the Firefox Extended Support Release (ESR) will be able to continue using Flash through the final end-of-life at the end of 2020. In order to preserve user security, once Flash is no longer supported by Adobe security patches, no version of Firefox will load the plugin.
 
 
Flash Activation: Browser Comparison (has explanations plus screenshots of "click to play" type interfaces for Flash in Firefox, Chrome, Edge as of July 2017)
 
 
Saying goodbye to Flash in Chrome: These open web technologies became the default experience for Chrome late last year when sites started needing to ask your permission to run Flash. Chrome will continue phasing out Flash over the next few years, first by asking for your permission to run Flash in more situations, and eventually disabling it by default. We will remove Flash completely from Chrome toward the end of 2020.
 
Microsoft The End of an Era – Next Steps for Adobe Flash Through the end of 2017 and into 2018, Microsoft Edge will continue to ask users for permission to run Flash on most sites the first time the site is visited, and will remember the user’s preference on subsequent visits. Internet Explorer will continue to allow Flash with no special permissions required during this time. In mid to late 2018, we will update Microsoft Edge to require permission for Flash to be run each session. In mid to late 2019, we will disable Flash by default in both Microsoft Edge and Internet Explorer. Users will be able to re-enable Flash in both browsers. When re-enabled, Microsoft Edge will continue to require approval for Flash on a site-by-site basis.
 
Apple/Safari Adobe Announces Flash Distribution and Updates to End Today, if users install Flash, it remains off by default. Safari requires explicit approval on each website before running the Flash plugin.




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Re: [IP] Adobe: Flash to EOL in 2020

Mike Noonan-2
Any word from Opera?    


On Jul 27, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Jul 27, 2017, at 10:38 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

The mercy killing won't happen till 2020? Do they really mean it this time? I'm not singing Ding Dong The Flash Is Dead just yet.

In addition to what Adobe says they'll do is what the browser makers say they'll do which includes steps they've already taken and ones they will take which treat it more and more as a second-class citizen.


Firefox Roadmap for Flash End-of-Life: Starting next month [Firefox 55 in August], users will choose which websites are able to run the Flash plugin. Flash will be disabled by default for most users in 2019, and only users running the Firefox Extended Support Release (ESR) will be able to continue using Flash through the final end-of-life at the end of 2020. In order to preserve user security, once Flash is no longer supported by Adobe security patches, no version of Firefox will load the plugin.
 
 
Flash Activation: Browser Comparison (has explanations plus screenshots of "click to play" type interfaces for Flash in Firefox, Chrome, Edge as of July 2017)
 
 
Saying goodbye to Flash in Chrome: These open web technologies became the default experience for Chrome late last year when sites started needing to ask your permission to run Flash. Chrome will continue phasing out Flash over the next few years, first by asking for your permission to run Flash in more situations, and eventually disabling it by default. We will remove Flash completely from Chrome toward the end of 2020.
 
Microsoft The End of an Era – Next Steps for Adobe Flash Through the end of 2017 and into 2018, Microsoft Edge will continue to ask users for permission to run Flash on most sites the first time the site is visited, and will remember the user’s preference on subsequent visits. Internet Explorer will continue to allow Flash with no special permissions required during this time. In mid to late 2018, we will update Microsoft Edge to require permission for Flash to be run each session. In mid to late 2019, we will disable Flash by default in both Microsoft Edge and Internet Explorer. Users will be able to re-enable Flash in both browsers. When re-enabled, Microsoft Edge will continue to require approval for Flash on a site-by-site basis.
 
Apple/Safari Adobe Announces Flash Distribution and Updates to End Today, if users install Flash, it remains off by default. Safari requires explicit approval on each website before running the Flash plugin.



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Re: [IP] Adobe: Flash to EOL in 2020

Curtis Wilcox
I couldn't find an announcement from Opera about this. Opera is built on Chrome's rendering engine, Blink, and shares other features of the Chrome browser, including a built-in Flash plugin that is automatically updated along with the rest of the browser.

I expect Opera will contain Flash as long as Chrome does. It looks like its current defaults for the plugin are to automatically detect and run "important" Flash content unless its "VPN" is enabled, in which case it's "Click to play."

On Jul 27, 2017, at 7:20 PM, Mike Noonan <[hidden email]> wrote:

Any word from Opera?    


On Jul 27, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:

Saying goodbye to Flash in Chrome: These open web technologies became the default experience for Chrome late last year when sites started needing to ask your permission to run Flash. Chrome will continue phasing out Flash over the next few years, first by asking for your permission to run Flash in more situations, and eventually disabling it by default. We will remove Flash completely from Chrome toward the end of 2020.





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Re: [IP] Adobe: Flash to EOL in 2020

Al Varnell
On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 04:42 AM, Curtis Wilcox wrote:
I couldn't find an announcement from Opera about this. Opera is built on Chrome's rendering engine, Blink, and shares other features of the Chrome browser, including a built-in Flash plugin that is automatically updated along with the rest of the browser.

Are you sure about that? In the past I always needed to install Pepper Flash separately and just now when I visited <https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/about/> in Opera it told me with a big green button to "Install Flash".

I also spent a few minutes looking through the Support page concerning Plug-Ins and there was no mention of it being built in.

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Re: [IP] Adobe: Flash to EOL in 2020

Curtis Wilcox
On Jul 28, 2017, at 8:01 AM, Al Varnell <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 04:42 AM, Curtis Wilcox wrote:
I couldn't find an announcement from Opera about this. Opera is built on Chrome's rendering engine, Blink, and shares other features of the Chrome browser, including a built-in Flash plugin that is automatically updated along with the rest of the browser.

Are you sure about that? In the past I always needed to install Pepper Flash separately and just now when I visited <https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/about/> in Opera it told me with a big green button to "Install Flash".

I also spent a few minutes looking through the Support page concerning Plug-Ins and there was no mention of it being built in.

I am not sure about that, I don't use Opera. When I googled Opera and Flash I found Opera's plugins page which says for installation instructions just to see Adobe's site and a top Adobe link is the page for enabling Flash in Opera, it doesn't mention installing. Based on that and knowing Opera is derived from Chrome which has Flash bundled in, I made an assumption. Adobe's download page for Flash has a plugin download option for Opera and Chromium, the latter being the name for the open source parts of the Chrome browser others can compile.






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