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Finder simply won't preserve window settings

Simon C. Leemann
One of the things that drives me nuts the most on macOS is that the Finder won't remember its default window settings. Neither position, size, nor column width is preserved whenever the Finder restarts. That means every time I restart, log out/in, or relaunch the Finder (if it crashes) I have to manually set up the window again from scratch.

At some point I read window settings get stored in the .DS_Store file so one time after setting up the window like I want it, I went to remove write privileges to the /.DS_Store file for everybody, but root. But still no dice. The stupid Finder keep resorting to some tiny non-usable window in the middle of the screen with a teeny tiny column width every single time it restarts. This drives me absolutely crazy.

Any ideas how to fix this?

Thanks,
Simon





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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

Bill Taylor
Would a fresh, fully charged motherboard battery resolve your problem?

However, this assumes PRAM settings contain layout coordinates for the Finder?

… or, am I out to lunch on this speculation?

Bill

> On Jan 25, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Simon C. Leemann <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> One of the things that drives me nuts the most on macOS is that the Finder won't remember its default window settings. Neither position, size, nor column width is preserved whenever the Finder restarts. That means every time I restart, log out/in, or relaunch the Finder (if it crashes) I have to manually set up the window again from scratch.
>
> At some point I read window settings get stored in the .DS_Store file so one time after setting up the window like I want it, I went to remove write privileges to the /.DS_Store file for everybody, but root. But still no dice. The stupid Finder keep resorting to some tiny non-usable window in the middle of the screen with a teeny tiny column width every single time it restarts. This drives me absolutely crazy.
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> Any ideas how to fix this?
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> Thanks,
> Simon
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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

M.Crump
Since I usually use 3rd-party apps most of the time, I find Magnet on the Mac app store helps me to remember my Finders' windows settings most of the time. However, it usually is a static window on my iPad rather than my iMac.

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 5:41 PM Bill Taylor <[hidden email]> wrote:
Would a fresh, fully charged motherboard battery resolve your problem?

However, this assumes PRAM settings contain layout coordinates for the Finder?

… or, am I out to lunch on this speculation?

Bill

> On Jan 25, 2018, at 5:24 PM, Simon C. Leemann <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> One of the things that drives me nuts the most on macOS is that the Finder won't remember its default window settings. Neither position, size, nor column width is preserved whenever the Finder restarts. That means every time I restart, log out/in, or relaunch the Finder (if it crashes) I have to manually set up the window again from scratch.
>
> At some point I read window settings get stored in the .DS_Store file so one time after setting up the window like I want it, I went to remove write privileges to the /.DS_Store file for everybody, but root. But still no dice. The stupid Finder keep resorting to some tiny non-usable window in the middle of the screen with a teeny tiny column width every single time it restarts. This drives me absolutely crazy.
>
> Any ideas how to fix this?
>
> Thanks,
> Simon
>
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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

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I would be happy if I could just set the default for every Finder window to have the columns “Right Size All Columns Individually”, instead of having to click on the resize button every time I open a window!


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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

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> On Jan 25, 2018, at 5:51 PM, Shirley Jordan <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I would be happy if I could just set the default for every Finder window to have the columns “Right Size All Columns Individually”, instead of having to click on the resize button every time I open a window!

I have been a long time Mac user and cannot figure out how Finder prefs work now. I may have a window open and decide to use Icon view, because I am looking at images, and the next thing I know all the windows are open in that view. I do not change any preferences and can even have the default set, but nothing stays.


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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

Michael Bloch
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Have you tried the check box on the Restart/ShutDown dialog?  Invoke this dialog with Control-Eject (on my keyboard). On the dialog you will see “Reopen windows when logging back in” .  Select it and see if this helps.


> On Jan 25, 2018, at 15:51, Shirley Jordan <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

Travis Butler
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> On Jan 25, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Ray Kloss <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 5:51 PM, Shirley Jordan <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> I would be happy if I could just set the default for every Finder window to have the columns “Right Size All Columns Individually”, instead of having to click on the resize button every time I open a window!
>
> I have been a long time Mac user and cannot figure out how Finder prefs work now. I may have a window open and decide to use Icon view, because I am looking at images, and the next thing I know all the windows are open in that view. I do not change any preferences and can even have the default set, but nothing stays.

As I understand it, the rule for the last 3-4 OS releases has been that whenever you change the view settings on a Finder window (Icon/List/Column), all windows opened after that will use the same view settings. (Windows already open retain their current view settings.) When you change the window view again, all windows you open after *that* will use the new view settings.

When you open a previously-opened folder or disk by double-clicking on the icon, it will remember the size and position from the last time you closed a window showing that folder/disk’s contents - but it will not remember the view, and will instead use the last view you used.

I think this view control system stinks, but at least my preferred work setup can deal with it without too much extra hassle. Typically, I leave one large 'browser' window in the upper-left corner of the screen, set to column view and wide enough to handle six levels of folders, and showing the sidebar with disks and favorite locations; this lets me browse the entire filesystem. Then I have the Downloads folder, set to icon view, near the right edge of the screen and extending almost the entire height; this is my 'catchall' folder for new files until I either delete them or move them to their permanent location. I have windows for my Dropbox folder and my main documents folder set in the area to the left of the Downloads window and underneath the main browser; this lets me quickly browse my most-used filing areas. This layout gives me quick access to most of what I use, in a stable set of windows; at most, I need to reset the view after restarting, and I typically go weeks between restarts - so that’s not too bad.





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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

Ryoichi Morita-4
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I think the Finder is “supposed to” remember the window settings or so I’ve been told. But it never worked for me regardless of the OS version. I just gave up on it a long time ago. The Finder has not changed in years. It needs a major overhaul, in my opinion. 

You can try Path Finder [https://cocoatech.com/], but it seems to have its own problems

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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

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On 25 Jan 2018, at 15:24, Simon C. Leemann <[hidden email]> wrote:
> One of the things that drives me nuts the most on macOS is that the Finder won't remember its default window settings. Neither position, size, nor column width is preserved whenever the Finder restarts. That means every time I restart, log out/in, or relaunch the Finder (if it crashes) I have to manually set up the window again from scratch.

This should not happen. As you setting the window up so that it opens the same way between restarts?  (Open a window, position it, DON'T DO ANYTHING ELSE, and then close it)

I only use list view on my machine, but window positions are consistent between restarts and I get the same windows I had open before the restart.

New windows on my iMac open reasonably large and on the left side of the screen. On my laptop, they open much larger (relatively to the screen) and center, as I want.

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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

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This should not happen. As you setting the window up so that it opens the same way between restarts?  (Open a window, position it, DON'T DO ANYTHING ELSE, and then close it)

Then immediately open a new window, and if it’s not in the position/view you want, redo the previous steps and close again. Sometimes a second or third try is necessary to make the Finder remember.

I don’t have any problems with this either — I leave two stacked windows on the right side of my left monitor at all times.

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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

Simon C. Leemann
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Thanks, lbutlr & Adam.

I'm very familiar with that procedure and that part works just fine. However, those settings do not get preserved across Finder relaunches (for example after reboot). Furthermore, they aren't preserved when switching from internal screen to external (clamshell) screens and back.

So in short, yes Finder windows stick to their pre-set settings. But only as long as I do not log out or change the screen. It's that last part I would like to fix.

Best,
Simon




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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

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> On Jan 26, 2018, at 9:21 AM, Simon C. Leemann <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> So in short, yes Finder windows stick to their pre-set settings. But only as long as I do not log out or change the screen. It's that last part I would like to fix.

That's definitely not normal. I don't log out often (a few times a year), but I've never had an issue like that.

I'd suspect a corrupt Finder preference file or something along those lines. I'm not sure how to go about fixing that, though. It would require some digging into the System files and trial and order testing to see if trashing the old prefs file fixes the problem.


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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

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I'd suspect a corrupt Finder preference file or something along those lines. I'm not sure how to go about fixing that, though. It would require some digging into the System files and trial and order testing to see if trashing the old prefs file fixes the problem.

I agree. This is the file I’d pull out first to test: 

~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.finder.plist

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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

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> On Jan 26, 2018, at 9:21 AM, Simon C. Leemann <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> So in short, yes Finder windows stick to their pre-set settings. But only as long as I do not log out or change the screen. It's that last part I would like to fix.


Does this problem occur on all user logins or just one? If on all user logins, it is a system problem. Otherwise, this kind of problem is typically due to corruption of contents or permissions of a Finder plist file. Move ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.finder.plist to your desktop and relaunch the Finder.



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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

Simon C. Leemann
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I'm the only user on this Mac and I've only set up this one account.

I've trashed ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.finder.plist (in fact there were several, all but one with various alphanumeric suffixes), set up my Finder prefs and Finder window settings from scratch. We'll see if that takes care of it. I'll report back.

Thanks,
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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

Shirley Jordan
The only choice I have gotten the Finder to remember anything at all, is in list view. I use Column view and have tried the things suggested here and nothing is remembered when in that view as far as the columns adjusting to “Right Size All Columns Individually”. Every time a window is opened I have to manually click on the bottom of the first column and choose that option. Next time that same window is opened, it is right back to those narrow columns. Don’t understand why in the Finder Preferences there isn’t a simple check box to "right size all columns when in the Column view". Maybe I’m missing something.


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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

Simon C. Leemann
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So after removing my MBP from its external screen (clamshell mode) and going to a meeting, I noticed the first Finder window I opened on the internal screen had again lost the settings. Sigh. Set up the proper window prefs again. Then, back at my office upon waking the MBP again in clamshell mode, I open a new Finder window and it looks right. Great! So just for testing, I relaunch the Finder. Sure enough, the first window is back to the wacky "default" (small & unusable) rather than what I had previously set it to. So unfortunately, deleting com.apple.Finder.plist didn't solve the issue.

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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

George Wade
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One possible overhaul, Ryoichi, could be 'Raskin.'


I imagine that there would be lovers and haters of such a graphic interface.  And I do not guarantee having googled the latest version in one shot.

George

On 25 Jan 2018, at 21:02, Ryoichi Morita wrote:

I think the Finder is “supposed to” remember the window settings or so I’ve been told. But it never worked for me regardless of the OS version. I just gave up on it a long time ago. The Finder has not changed in years. It needs a major overhaul, in my opinion. 

You can try Path Finder [https://cocoatech.com/], but it seems to have its own problems

Ryoichi Morita 



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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

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So unfortunately, deleting com.apple.Finder.plist didn't solve the issue.

What about the .DS_Store file, perhaps for the folder that’s opening by default when you open that window?


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Re: Finder simply won't preserve window settings

Simon C. Leemann
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Thanks for the tip, Adam.

I deleted the /.DS_Store file and relaunched the Finder. Set up my window settings from scratch. Restarted the Finder again. Boom, window settings lost again.

So neither .DS_Store nor com.apple.finder.plist seem to be the culprits.

I do wonder if this behavior is related to column view. Maybe other people who don't see the same problem, use list or icon view for their default Finde window?

Best,
Simon




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