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Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

Norm Harris
Being a late adopter by strategy and reading posts here, at TidBITS and others, I’ve delayed upgrading both to iOS 11 and to High Sierra.

To any of a similar conservative nature ;) LOL …..

Any reason to postpone upgrading our iPhones to iOS 11?

And our Macs to OS 10.13? Or wait for OS 10.13.1?

Thank you


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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

Mike Noonan-2
Norm,

I’m too am delaying but my dilemma is based on finding replacements foror jettisoning some of the 32 bit programs I have (most notably Windows Office 2011).

If you haven’t see the threads on how to find out which programs will not be supported, go the Utilities/System Information/ and select the Software heading, select Applications, wait a bit, and then sort 64 bit (Intel).  Click the ascending/descending arrow to get the No items on top.  I’ll assume the Apple products will be handled as ..., well, who knows.

 Anyone know whether Mac MS Office 2016 Excel handles VBA compatible with MS Excel 2011?  Or is just compatible?

Rgds. Mike



> On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Norm Harris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Being a late adopter by strategy and reading posts here, at TidBITS and others, I’ve delayed upgrading both to iOS 11 and to High Sierra.
>
> To any of a similar conservative nature ;) LOL …..
>
> Any reason to postpone upgrading our iPhones to iOS 11?
>
> And our Macs to OS 10.13? Or wait for OS 10.13.1?
>
> Thank you
>
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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

Al Varnell
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On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Norm Harris wrote:
> Being a late adopter by strategy and reading posts here, at TidBITS and others, I’ve delayed upgrading both to iOS 11 and to High Sierra.
>
> To any of a similar conservative nature ;) LOL …..
>
> Any reason to postpone upgrading our iPhones to iOS 11?
>
> And our Macs to OS 10.13? Or wait for OS 10.13.1?
>
> Thank you

Have not experienced nor heard of anything catastrophic, just some nits that may or may not impact your setup. There's a bit of a learning curve with iOS, but lots of good guides from Apple, TidBITS and others.

OTOH, rumor has the updates arriving in days, which will give you additional options to update or postpone in the near term.


Sent from Janet's iPad

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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

Al Varnell
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Note that the 64-bit app requirement only applies to iOS 11 at this time, but not macOS 10.13. You won't need to find replacements for your Mac until next year. And did you mean Microsoft Office 2011 or are you actually running the Windows version?

Sent from Janet's iPad

-Al-

On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Mike Noonan wrote:

> Norm,
>
> I’m too am delaying but my dilemma is based on finding replacements foror jettisoning some of the 32 bit programs I have (most notably Windows Office 2011).
>
> If you haven’t see the threads on how to find out which programs will not be supported, go the Utilities/System Information/ and select the Software heading, select Applications, wait a bit, and then sort 64 bit (Intel).  Click the ascending/descending arrow to get the No items on top.  I’ll assume the Apple products will be handled as ..., well, who knows.
>
> Anyone know whether Mac MS Office 2016 Excel handles VBA compatible with MS Excel 2011?  Or is just compatible?
>
> Rgds. Mike
>
> On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Norm Harris wrote:
>> Being a late adopter by strategy and reading posts here, at TidBITS and others, I’ve delayed upgrading both to iOS 11 and to High Sierra.
>>
>> To any of a similar conservative nature ;) LOL …..
>>
>> Any reason to postpone upgrading our iPhones to iOS 11?
>>
>> And our Macs to OS 10.13? Or wait for OS 10.13.1?
>>
>> Thank you



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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

Mike Noonan-2
Hi Al,

Now I’m confused.  I thought High Sierra was 10.13 and 64 bit only.  And it’s generally available soon post-Beta.   What’s this macOS 2018 release about?

Sorry, I meant MS Mac Office 2011 not Windows Office 2011.  

But I also have an ancient MS Windows Office 2012 ( think) on Win 8.2 inside Parallels 12.

To add to the confusion, I am also running the macOS 10.12 virtual machine, Sheepshaver; inside is Mac OS 9.3. where I am extracting 10 yrs of MYM (Managing You Money) to .csv files.

I’m surprised this aged brain can process these alphanumeric bowls of soup.  

Pls elucidate.

Thank you.
Mike

   



> On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Al Varnell <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Note that the 64-bit app requirement only applies to iOS 11 at this time, but not macOS 10.13. You won't need to find replacements for your Mac until next year. And did you mean Microsoft Office 2011 or are you actually running the Windows version?
>
> Sent from Janet's iPad
>
> -Al-
>
> On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Mike Noonan wrote:
>> Norm,
>>
>> I’m too am delaying but my dilemma is based on finding replacements foror jettisoning some of the 32 bit programs I have (most notably Windows Office 2011).
>>
>> If you haven’t see the threads on how to find out which programs will not be supported, go the Utilities/System Information/ and select the Software heading, select Applications, wait a bit, and then sort 64 bit (Intel).  Click the ascending/descending arrow to get the No items on top.  I’ll assume the Apple products will be handled as ..., well, who knows.
>>
>> Anyone know whether Mac MS Office 2016 Excel handles VBA compatible with MS Excel 2011?  Or is just compatible?
>>
>> Rgds. Mike
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Norm Harris wrote:
>>> Being a late adopter by strategy and reading posts here, at TidBITS and others, I’ve delayed upgrading both to iOS 11 and to High Sierra.
>>>
>>> To any of a similar conservative nature ;) LOL …..
>>>
>>> Any reason to postpone upgrading our iPhones to iOS 11?
>>>
>>> And our Macs to OS 10.13? Or wait for OS 10.13.1?
>>>
>>> Thank you
>
>
>
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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

Al Varnell
Sorry Mike, not much more I can say.

Yes, High Sierra is macOS 10.13 and although the OS is fully 64-bit, it will still run 32-bit apps. It was released on September 20, so it's available now and MS Office 2011 runs perfectly in High Sierra for me.

macOS 10.13.1 is reportedly currently in beta and will be released any day now. It will also NOT be restricted to 64-bit apps only.

Apple said publicly during WWDC2017 this summer:

> High Sierra will be the last macOS release that can support 32-bit macOS apps without compromise. And for apps distributed through the Mac App Store, there are two new dates to add to the timeline:
>
> • January 2018: All new apps submitted to the Mac App Store need to be 64-bit only.
> • June 2018: All new apps and updates to existing apps submitted to the Mac App Store need to be 64-bit only.

What remains a mystery of sorts is what they meant by "without compromise." I certainly expect non-App Store 32-bit apps to run for at least the next year or two, possibly resorting to something like the Rosetta-like capability used to run PPC apps in OS X 10.4 Tiger through 10.6 Snow Leopard.

Hope that helps.

-Al-

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 07:39 PM, Mike Noonan wrote:

>
> Hi Al,
>
> Now I’m confused.  I thought High Sierra was 10.13 and 64 bit only.  And it’s generally available soon post-Beta.   What’s this macOS 2018 release about?
>
> Sorry, I meant MS Mac Office 2011 not Windows Office 2011.  
>
> But I also have an ancient MS Windows Office 2012 ( think) on Win 8.2 inside Parallels 12.
>
> To add to the confusion, I am also running the macOS 10.12 virtual machine, Sheepshaver; inside is Mac OS 9.3. where I am extracting 10 yrs of MYM (Managing You Money) to .csv files.
>
> I’m surprised this aged brain can process these alphanumeric bowls of soup.  
>
> Pls elucidate.
>
> Thank you.
> Mike
>
> On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Al Varnell wrote:
>> Note that the 64-bit app requirement only applies to iOS 11 at this time, but not macOS 10.13. You won't need to find replacements for your Mac until next year. And did you mean Microsoft Office 2011 or are you actually running the Windows version?
>>
>> Sent from Janet's iPad
>>
>> -Al-
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Mike Noonan wrote:
>>> Norm,
>>>
>>> I’m too am delaying but my dilemma is based on finding replacements foror jettisoning some of the 32 bit programs I have (most notably Windows Office 2011).
>>>
>>> If you haven’t see the threads on how to find out which programs will not be supported, go the Utilities/System Information/ and select the Software heading, select Applications, wait a bit, and then sort 64 bit (Intel).  Click the ascending/descending arrow to get the No items on top.  I’ll assume the Apple products will be handled as ..., well, who knows.
>>>
>>> Anyone know whether Mac MS Office 2016 Excel handles VBA compatible with MS Excel 2011?  Or is just compatible?
>>>
>>> Rgds. Mike
>>>
>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Norm Harris wrote:
>>>> Being a late adopter by strategy and reading posts here, at TidBITS and others, I’ve delayed upgrading both to iOS 11 and to High Sierra.
>>>>
>>>> To any of a similar conservative nature ;) LOL …..
>>>>
>>>> Any reason to postpone upgrading our iPhones to iOS 11?
>>>>
>>>> And our Macs to OS 10.13? Or wait for OS 10.13.1?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you



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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

Mike Noonan-2
Al,

Thanks for the helpful info.  I can breath easy for a while.

M


> On Oct 30, 2017, at 8:18 PM, Al Varnell <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Sorry Mike, not much more I can say.
>
> Yes, High Sierra is macOS 10.13 and although the OS is fully 64-bit, it will still run 32-bit apps. It was released on September 20, so it's available now and MS Office 2011 runs perfectly in High Sierra for me.
>
> macOS 10.13.1 is reportedly currently in beta and will be released any day now. It will also NOT be restricted to 64-bit apps only.
>
> Apple said publicly during WWDC2017 this summer:
>
>> High Sierra will be the last macOS release that can support 32-bit macOS apps without compromise. And for apps distributed through the Mac App Store, there are two new dates to add to the timeline:
>>
>> • January 2018: All new apps submitted to the Mac App Store need to be 64-bit only.
>> • June 2018: All new apps and updates to existing apps submitted to the Mac App Store need to be 64-bit only.
>
> What remains a mystery of sorts is what they meant by "without compromise." I certainly expect non-App Store 32-bit apps to run for at least the next year or two, possibly resorting to something like the Rosetta-like capability used to run PPC apps in OS X 10.4 Tiger through 10.6 Snow Leopard.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> -Al-
>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 07:39 PM, Mike Noonan wrote:
>>
>> Hi Al,
>>
>> Now I’m confused.  I thought High Sierra was 10.13 and 64 bit only.  And it’s generally available soon post-Beta.   What’s this macOS 2018 release about?
>>
>> Sorry, I meant MS Mac Office 2011 not Windows Office 2011.  
>>
>> But I also have an ancient MS Windows Office 2012 ( think) on Win 8.2 inside Parallels 12.
>>
>> To add to the confusion, I am also running the macOS 10.12 virtual machine, Sheepshaver; inside is Mac OS 9.3. where I am extracting 10 yrs of MYM (Managing You Money) to .csv files.
>>
>> I’m surprised this aged brain can process these alphanumeric bowls of soup.  
>>
>> Pls elucidate.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Mike
>>
>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Al Varnell wrote:
>>> Note that the 64-bit app requirement only applies to iOS 11 at this time, but not macOS 10.13. You won't need to find replacements for your Mac until next year. And did you mean Microsoft Office 2011 or are you actually running the Windows version?
>>>
>>> Sent from Janet's iPad
>>>
>>> -Al-
>>>
>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Mike Noonan wrote:
>>>> Norm,
>>>>
>>>> I’m too am delaying but my dilemma is based on finding replacements foror jettisoning some of the 32 bit programs I have (most notably Windows Office 2011).
>>>>
>>>> If you haven’t see the threads on how to find out which programs will not be supported, go the Utilities/System Information/ and select the Software heading, select Applications, wait a bit, and then sort 64 bit (Intel).  Click the ascending/descending arrow to get the No items on top.  I’ll assume the Apple products will be handled as ..., well, who knows.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know whether Mac MS Office 2016 Excel handles VBA compatible with MS Excel 2011?  Or is just compatible?
>>>>
>>>> Rgds. Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Norm Harris wrote:
>>>>> Being a late adopter by strategy and reading posts here, at TidBITS and others, I’ve delayed upgrading both to iOS 11 and to High Sierra.
>>>>>
>>>>> To any of a similar conservative nature ;) LOL …..
>>>>>
>>>>> Any reason to postpone upgrading our iPhones to iOS 11?
>>>>>
>>>>> And our Macs to OS 10.13? Or wait for OS 10.13.1?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you
>
>
>
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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

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On Oct 30, 2017, at 7:17 PM, Mike Noonan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I’m too am delaying but my dilemma is based on finding replacements foror jettisoning some of the 32 bit programs I have (most notably Windows Office 2011).

32 bit apps run just fine on High Sierra.

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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

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My patience with Chrome, which I had been using because of a severe memory leak in Safari (only on my 2012 MBP, and not on my wife’s 2011 MBP nor our 2013 mini), finally ran out, so I upgraded to OS 10.13.

As I had hoped, the upgrade cured the problem with Safari, and my MBP is noticeably quicker at launching and quitting apps, and just generally snappier.

In exchange for these benefits, however I get random freezes, several times per day, in which the machine is completely unresponsive, and for which the only remedy is a power-button shutdown and restart. This is a known problem, with lots of discussion on Apple forums. It’s a good thing that 10.13 does a very good job of restoring the machine state after the shutdown and restart.

I’m now downloading 10.13.1, which I dearly hope will fix the freeze problem.

—Ham

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> On Oct 30, 2017, at 7:43 PM, Norm Harris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Being a late adopter by strategy and reading posts here, at TidBITS and others, I’ve delayed upgrading both to iOS 11 and to High Sierra.
>
> To any of a similar conservative nature ;) LOL …..
>
> Any reason to postpone upgrading our iPhones to iOS 11?
>
> And our Macs to OS 10.13? Or wait for OS 10.13.1?
>
> Thank you
>
>
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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

@lbutlr
On 31 Oct 2017, at 15:13, Hamilton Richards <[hidden email]> wrote:
> In exchange for these benefits, however I get random freezes, several times per day, in which the machine is completely unresponsive, and for which the only remedy is a power-button shutdown and restart. This is a known problem, with lots of discussion on Apple forums. It’s a good thing that 10.13 does a very good job of restoring the machine state after the shutdown and restart.
>
> I’m now downloading 10.13.1, which I dearly hope will fix the freeze problem.

Random freezes are nearly always a RAM problem. Is your RAM stock from Apple, or did you expand it after purchase? Have you tried testing the RAM? Most RAM comes with a lifetime warranty, so test it and if the test fails as it likely will, get it replaced.

I also have a 2012 MBP and it has been rock-solid. I am not sure it’s ever had a kernel panic or a freeze outside of beta version of the operating system.

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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

Mike Noonan-2
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Found a reason to delay.  Office 2011 is no longer supported on per MS website and they haven’t tested against High Sierra.  A Double whammy. 

So the bet is it might work as is or not with out testing.  The 32 bit part not relevant until 2018.  

MS Excel is the only part I need for some VBA stuff for financial processing. Maybe Numbers or Libre Office will work but I haven’t had time to explore.  This VBA stuff is complex I believe.  More of an opinion as I do not write VBA code. 

I’ll pay ~$120 for Excel with Home and Office.  How would you bet?

Mike    M 


On Oct 30, 2017, at 10:07 PM, Mike Noonan <[hidden email]> wrote:

Al, 

Thanks for the helpful info.  I can breath easy for a while. 

M


On Oct 30, 2017, at 8:18 PM, Al Varnell <[hidden email]> wrote:

Sorry Mike, not much more I can say. 

Yes, High Sierra is macOS 10.13 and although the OS is fully 64-bit, it will still run 32-bit apps. It was released on September 20, so it's available now and MS Office 2011 runs perfectly in High Sierra for me.

macOS 10.13.1 is reportedly currently in beta and will be released any day now. It will also NOT be restricted to 64-bit apps only.

Apple said publicly during WWDC2017 this summer:

High Sierra will be the last macOS release that can support 32-bit macOS apps without compromise. And for apps distributed through the Mac App Store, there are two new dates to add to the timeline:

• January 2018: All new apps submitted to the Mac App Store need to be 64-bit only.
• June 2018: All new apps and updates to existing apps submitted to the Mac App Store need to be 64-bit only.

What remains a mystery of sorts is what they meant by "without compromise." I certainly expect non-App Store 32-bit apps to run for at least the next year or two, possibly resorting to something like the Rosetta-like capability used to run PPC apps in OS X 10.4 Tiger through 10.6 Snow Leopard.

Hope that helps.

-Al-

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 07:39 PM, Mike Noonan wrote:

Hi Al,

Now I’m confused.  I thought High Sierra was 10.13 and 64 bit only.  And it’s generally available soon post-Beta.   What’s this macOS 2018 release about?

Sorry, I meant MS Mac Office 2011 not Windows Office 2011.   

But I also have an ancient MS Windows Office 2012 ( think) on Win 8.2 inside Parallels 12.

To add to the confusion, I am also running the macOS 10.12 virtual machine, Sheepshaver; inside is Mac OS 9.3. where I am extracting 10 yrs of MYM (Managing You Money) to .csv files.

I’m surprised this aged brain can process these alphanumeric bowls of soup.  

Pls elucidate. 

Thank you. 
Mike 

On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Al Varnell wrote:
Note that the 64-bit app requirement only applies to iOS 11 at this time, but not macOS 10.13. You won't need to find replacements for your Mac until next year. And did you mean Microsoft Office 2011 or are you actually running the Windows version?

Sent from Janet's iPad

-Al-

On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Mike Noonan wrote:
Norm,

I’m too am delaying but my dilemma is based on finding replacements foror jettisoning some of the 32 bit programs I have (most notably Windows Office 2011). 

If you haven’t see the threads on how to find out which programs will not be supported, go the Utilities/System Information/ and select the Software heading, select Applications, wait a bit, and then sort 64 bit (Intel).  Click the ascending/descending arrow to get the No items on top.  I’ll assume the Apple products will be handled as ..., well, who knows.

Anyone know whether Mac MS Office 2016 Excel handles VBA compatible with MS Excel 2011?  Or is just compatible?

Rgds. Mike

On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Norm Harris wrote:
Being a late adopter by strategy and reading posts here, at TidBITS and others, I’ve delayed upgrading both to iOS 11 and to High Sierra.

To any of a similar conservative nature ;) LOL ….. 

Any reason to postpone upgrading our iPhones to iOS 11?

And our Macs to OS 10.13? Or wait for OS 10.13.1?

Thank you



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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

Al Varnell
Sure, but as I believe I said earlier, I tested it and there are no issues...zero. And nobody else I know (dozens) have found a problem with Office 2011. The non-support part impacts all OSs, not just HS.

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On Nov 7, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Mike Noonan wrote:
> Found a reason to delay.  Office 2011 is no longer supported on per MS website and they haven’t tested against High Sierra.  A Double whammy.
>
> So the bet is it might work as is or not with out testing.



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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

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On Nov 7, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Mike Noonan wrote:

> Found a reason to delay.  Office 2011 is no longer supported on per MS website and they haven’t tested against High Sierra.

Both Office 2011 and even Office 2008 work fine under High Sierra.  I've been using the latter under High Sierra for several weeks now.

And who cares if they are "supported" by Microsoft?  What support have you ever counted on from Microsoft for Office?

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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

Jim Carr
Randy B. Singer wrote, On 11/9/17, 7:20 AM:
On Nov 7, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Mike Noonan wrote:

Found a reason to delay.  Office 2011 is no longer supported on per MS website and they haven’t tested against High Sierra. 

Both Office 2011 and even Office 2008 work fine under High Sierra.  I've been using the latter under High Sierra for several weeks now.

And who cares if they are "supported" by Microsoft?  What support have you ever counted on from Microsoft for Office?

Randy:

Excel from Office 2011 is now at version 14.7.5. I doubt it shipped with that version number.

While I don't keep track, there have been a lot of updates for compatibility, security and bug fixes over the last 6 years. I have no idea what all was fixed but I don't recall issues affecting me before or after each update. Word got updated to support .docx if I recall correctly. Microsoft calls that support.

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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

Randy B. Singer

On Nov 9, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Jim Carr wrote:

> Excel from Office 2011 is now at version 14.7.5. I doubt it shipped with that version number.
>
> While I don't keep track, there have been a lot of updates for compatibility, security and bug fixes over the last 6 years. I have no idea what all was fixed but I don't recall issues affecting me before or after each update. Word got updated to support .docx if I recall correctly. Microsoft calls that support.

Word has supported the "docx" format since at least the version that came with Word 2008.  

Yes, there have been updates to Office 2008, and Office 2011.  And they are still available.  I'm not sure that either version of Office require any more "support" from Microsoft.

Personally I'm sticking with Office 2008 until I find a pressing need to upgrade.  I'll let the list know if I ever find such a need.

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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

Al Varnell
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On Thu, Nov 09, 2017 at 08:31 PM, Jim Carr wrote:

> Randy B. Singer wrote, On 11/9/17, 7:20 AM:
>> On Nov 7, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Mike Noonan wrote:
>>> Found a reason to delay.  Office 2011 is no longer supported on per MS website and they haven’t tested against High Sierra.
>>
>> Both Office 2011 and even Office 2008 work fine under High Sierra.  I've been using the latter under High Sierra for several weeks now.
>>
>> And who cares if they are "supported" by Microsoft?  What support have you ever counted on from Microsoft for Office?
>>
> Randy:
>
> Excel from Office 2011 is now at version 14.7.5. I doubt it shipped with that version number.
Actually, its at 14.7.7 now, so you are missing a couple of updates and yes my original CD came with v14.1.0. The latest update (which includes all previous) can be found here:
<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=55942>

> While I don't keep track, there have been a lot of updates for compatibility, security and bug fixes over the last 6 years. I have no idea what all was fixed but I don't recall issues affecting me before or after each update.

Same here. The early updates were almost all bug fixes, then their were compatibility fixes with each major (and some minor) OS Updates, but the majority of updates in recent years have addressed a variety of security issues. As I recall, most of them were low probability for Mac users. The only one that really counted from my perspective over the years was the one that disables macros as default and notifies you if a file contains them. Macros have been the single most serious vector used by malware developers over the years.

> Word got updated to support .docx if I recall correctly. Microsoft calls that support.

As Randy indicated, that wasn't a recent change, but I'm still wondering what the point of these comments are? We all agree that Microsoft will no longer support Office 2011 which means that it might break with some future OS release and all that are still using it will have to deal with it at the time. There are thousands of Mac users who have been using ancient Adobe software that hasn't been updated in years, but they are still able to use it today with High Sierra 10.13.1. I'm sure the same will hold for MS Office 2008 & 11. When they no longer work or become a serious security vulnerability, then we'll all have to find something else.

Again, our point is that lack of support form MS is not currently a valid reason to delay updating to High Sierra.

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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

Louise Olson
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> Randy:
>
> Excel from Office 2011 is now at version 14.7.5. I doubt it shipped with
> that version number.
>
> While I don't keep track, there have been a lot of updates for
> compatibility, security and bug fixes over the last 6 years. I have no
> idea what all was fixed but I don't recall issues affecting me before or
> after each update. Word got updated to support .docx if I recall
> correctly. Microsoft calls that support.
>
> --Jim
>
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Hi Jim.

Just checked my Excel 2011 and got 14.7.7. as the version.

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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

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On 7 Nov 2017, at 20:30, Mike Noonan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Found a reason to delay.  Office 2011 is no longer supported

No longer supported at all, regardless of OS version.

> on per MS website and they haven’t tested against High Sierra.

Word works fine. I am pretty sure Excel does as well, but I didn't test.

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Re: Delay upgrading to iOS 11 and MacOS High Sierra ?

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> On Nov 1, 2017, at 4:34 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On 31 Oct 2017, at 15:13, Hamilton Richards <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> In exchange for these benefits, however I get random freezes, several times per day, in which the machine is completely unresponsive, and for which the only remedy is a power-button shutdown and restart. This is a known problem, with lots of discussion on Apple forums. It’s a good thing that 10.13 does a very good job of restoring the machine state after the shutdown and restart.
>>
>> I’m now downloading 10.13.1, which I dearly hope will fix the freeze problem.
>
> Random freezes are nearly always a RAM problem. Is your RAM stock from Apple, or did you expand it after purchase? Have you tried testing the RAM? Most RAM comes with a lifetime warranty, so test it and if the test fails as it likely will, get it replaced.

I did indeed expand my MBP’s RAM, and I also replaced the HD with an SSD. Those appear not to have been the cause of the freezes, however—in the two weeks since I installed 10.13.1, the frequency of freezes has dropped from several per day to zero. As far as I know, Apple never acknowledged the problem publicly, but they appear to have quietly fixed it.

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