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App download from iPhone to iTunes

Neil Laubenthal
Apps that you purchased on the iPhone used to auto download to iTunes from the phone at the next sync…but this has stopped working for me. Is this something that Apple removed or did they just move the checkbox to make that happen somewhere. I don’t see anything in either iTunes or on the phone to make it happen…I still get a momentary “downloading purchases from the iPhone” in iTunes when syncing but the app I downloaded on the phone didn’t get into iTunes…I had to go to the store in iTunes to get it on the laptop.

iPhone 6s+, everything on the iPhone and rMBP is up to date OS wise but I’m on iTunes 12.6.3.6 which is the branch version that still has app management  in it…I’ve not upgraded to 12.7.

I own iMazing 2…which has the new App Wizard thing in it…has anybody found this adequate for managing apps on the computer? Even with the multi drag capability for apps in iOS 11…managing apps on the iPhone is still a royal pain. Importing all the .ipa files into iMazing would eat up another 30 GB to so on my laptop SSD which I would rather not do unless necessary…but it might be worth it so as not to have to manage folders and apps on the iPhone.



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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

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On 7 Feb 2018, at 8:15, Neil Laubenthal [hidden email] wrote:

I own iMazing 2…which has the new App Wizard thing in it…has anybody found this adequate for managing apps on the computer? Even with the multi drag capability for apps in iOS 11…managing apps on the iPhone is still a royal pain. Importing all the .ipa files into iMazing would eat up another 30 GB to so on my laptop SSD which I would rather not do unless necessary…but it might be worth it so as not to have to manage folders and apps on the iPhone.

iMazing 2 'wizard' allows you to add, remove, install, etc., Apps, and I find it much superior to iTunes in that regard. Unfortunately it does not include the ability to move them around the 'desktop' etc. I'm hopeful that will be a future feature but have not seen nor heard anything in that regard from DigiDNA.

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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

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On Feb 7, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Neil Laubenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:

Apps that you purchased on the iPhone used to auto download to iTunes from the phone at the next sync…but this has stopped working for me. Is this something that Apple removed or did they just move the checkbox to make that happen somewhere.


I assume app syncing was removed in 12.7 along with app management. 


I don’t see anything in either iTunes or on the phone to make it happen…I still get a momentary “downloading purchases from the iPhone” in iTunes when syncing but the app I downloaded on the phone didn’t get into iTunes…I had to go to the store in iTunes to get it on the laptop.


iTunes syncing should still have a "downloading purchases" phase for any purchased music, books, or video; it's probably momentary for you because there's nothing new to sync.

iPhone 6s+, everything on the iPhone and rMBP is up to date OS wise but I’m on iTunes 12.6.3.6 which is the branch version that still has app management  in it…I’ve not upgraded to 12.7.


I have 12.6.3 as well and while it has the Apps interface to install, remove, and reorder app icons on my iPhone, when I look at my Mobile Applications/ folder, I don't see any apps added or updated since the summer. 12.6.3 still has an Apps section that can download updates and new apps from the App Store so it's still possible to get the app files onto the Mac, just not from an iOS device that already has it. 


I own iMazing 2…which has the new App Wizard thing in it…has anybody found this adequate for managing apps on the computer? Even with the multi drag capability for apps in iOS 11…managing apps on the iPhone is still a royal pain. Importing all the .ipa files into iMazing would eat up another 30 GB to so on my laptop SSD which I would rather not do unless necessary…but it might be worth it so as not to have to manage folders and apps on the iPhone.


I haven't used iMazing but maybe you can reclaim some space by moving the .jpa files out of ~/Music/iTunes/Mobile Applications/?




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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

Neil Laubenthal
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I’ve asked them directly…will let the list know if I get an answer.


On Feb 7, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Richard Rettke <[hidden email]> wrote:

does not include the ability to move them around the 'desktop' etc. I'm hopeful that will be a future feature but have not seen nor heard anything in that regard from DigiDNA.


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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

Neil Laubenthal
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On Feb 7, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:

app syncing was removed in 12.7

True…but on 12.6.x it’s still there…and I can still download updates in iTunes and they sync to the devices but apparently the ability of 12.6.x to download from the device apps that are only on the device is gone. I actually thought that Apple would update Apple Configurator 2 to provide app management…but when I launch it now it complains about having an out of date MobileDevice framework…which I would get with iTunes 12.7.x I guess. 

Has anybody tried Apple Configurator 2 with iTunes 12.7…and if so does it have app management? Sticking with 12.6.x in the long run ain’t going to work as it’s obviously not getting security/bug fix updates like 12.7 is as it’s up to 12.7.3.
 
I haven't used iMazing but maybe you can reclaim some space by moving the .jpa files out of ~/Music/iTunes/Mobile Applications/?

Thought of that…and when I eventually upgrade (what a misnomer) to 12.7.x I’ll just import the .ipa files into iMazing and then archive/delete the ones there. In their Apps folder under Application Support they’re still .ipa files…so apparently all the import .ipa files into iMazing option does is copy them over and register them within iMazing…strange that they didn’t just leave them in place in /Mobile Applications and register them instead of making another copy.



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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

Brian L. Matthews
On 2/7/18 8:20 AM, Neil Laubenthal wrote:
 > On Feb 7, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:
 >>
 >> app syncing was removed in 12.7
 >
 > True…but on 12.6.x it’s still there…and I can still download updates
in iTunes and they sync to the devices but apparently the ability of
12.6.x to download from the device apps that are only on the device is gone.

I think that was removed a while ago, when Apple introduced app
thinning/slicing. If you download an app directly to your iDevice, the
app is optimized for that device so pulling it into iTunes from the
device wouldn't really make sense. There's still File > Devices >
Transfer Purchases from "<device name>", but I have no idea what that's
supposed to do, as far as I can tell it doesn't do anything.

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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

Richard Rettke-2
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On 7 Feb 2018, at 10:20, Neil Laubenthal [hidden email] wrote:

Has anybody tried Apple Configurator 2 with iTunes 12.7…and if so does it have app management? Sticking with 12.6.x in the long run ain’t going to work as it’s obviously not getting security/bug fix updates like 12.7 is as it’s up to 12.7.3.

I just used Configurator 2 Version 2.6.1 (3G46) to rearrange the home screen on my iPad Mini 3 with iOS 11.2.5 and I am running iTunes 12.7.3.46
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I never used any release Configurator before but I had no problems doing so.

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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

Neil Laubenthal
Thanks Richard…does it support folders as well as just apps?

On Feb 7, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Richard Rettke <[hidden email]> wrote:

I just used Configurator 2 Version 2.6.1 (3G46) to rearrange the home screen


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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

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On 7 Feb 2018, at 15:42, Neil Laubenthal [hidden email] wrote:

Thanks Richard…does it support folders as well as just apps?

YES!

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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

Neil Laubenthal
Cool…guess it’s safe to update iTunes to 12.7.3 then…I was holding off for the app management but 12.6.3 obviously isn’t getting any updates as it’s been around since October.


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On 7 Feb 2018, at 15:42, Neil Laubenthal [hidden email] wrote:

Thanks Richard…does it support folders as well as just apps?

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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

Neil Laubenthal
Replying to myself to report the results of testing.

I know that iTunes is not the greatest app to use…but IMO Apple’s removing it’s ability to manage apps is just fubar. Since the forked iTunes 12.6.3 isn’t getting any updates I went ahead and upgraded to 12.7…and I’ve tried both Apple Configurator 2 and iMazing 2 and neither manages apps worth a darn. 

Testing this morning with my iPhone 6s+ and 10.5 inch iPad Pro…each had two apps that needed updating, PCalc which was on both and Amazon on one and RVillage on the other.

While Apple Configurator does allow one to manage home screens, folders, and position…it doesn’t update the apps that need downloading. With my iPhone it tells me that the only app needing updating is Search…which isn’t an app on the phone…and no matter how many times I click update…it downloads, says it’s installing and then tells me that I still need to update Search. 

iMazing 2 shows me the apps on the phone and offers to let me download from the App Store…but doesn’t do jack with home screens or offer to update apps for me…but I’ll admit I didn’t load all the apps into iMazing’s library as that would duplicate the 30 GB of apps on my laptop and I don’t have the SSD space to spare for that. I could import them and then delete them from the Mobile Apps folder but if I do that Configurator 2 might not work.

For anybody that has multiple iOS devices and limited bandwidth…this is just screwed up on Apple’s part. I know about app thinning and that’s a good thing when the apps are installed to a device…but having to do multiple downloads for an app that might be multiple GB on limited bandwidth just isn’t cutting it.

The only way I can see to update apps on iOS devices as updates are released is to download them individually on each device.

Apple’s supposed to be the user friendly computer company…but this certainly isn’t user friendly as far as I can see…I guess they’re more interested in what they’ve deemed to be a typical user rather than supporting what we want to do with our iOS devices…and I’m not happy about it. Unfortunately…they’re still better than trying to keep up Android based phones…with few exceptions getting the OS updated on those is just about impossible until the vendor and the data provider decide to get together and make updates available (although it’s possible that things have changed on that front since I last mucked about with Android devices.



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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

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On Feb 11, 2018, at 11:33 AM, Neil Laubenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:

Replying to myself to report the results of testing.

I know that iTunes is not the greatest app to use…but IMO Apple’s removing it’s ability to manage apps is just fubar. Since the forked iTunes 12.6.3 isn’t getting any updates I went ahead and upgraded to 12.7…and I’ve tried both Apple Configurator 2 and iMazing 2 and neither manages apps worth a darn. 

Testing this morning with my iPhone 6s+ and 10.5 inch iPad Pro…each had two apps that needed updating, PCalc which was on both and Amazon on one and RVillage on the other.

While Apple Configurator does allow one to manage home screens, folders, and position…it doesn’t update the apps that need downloading. With my iPhone it tells me that the only app needing updating is Search…which isn’t an app on the phone…and no matter how many times I click update…it downloads, says it’s installing and then tells me that I still need to update Search. 

iMazing 2 shows me the apps on the phone and offers to let me download from the App Store…but doesn’t do jack with home screens or offer to update apps for me…but I’ll admit I didn’t load all the apps into iMazing’s library as that would duplicate the 30 GB of apps on my laptop and I don’t have the SSD space to spare for that. I could import them and then delete them from the Mobile Apps folder but if I do that Configurator 2 might not work.

For anybody that has multiple iOS devices and limited bandwidth…this is just screwed up on Apple’s part. I know about app thinning and that’s a good thing when the apps are installed to a device…but having to do multiple downloads for an app that might be multiple GB on limited bandwidth just isn’t cutting it.

The only way I can see to update apps on iOS devices as updates are released is to download them individually on each device.

Apple’s supposed to be the user friendly computer company…but this certainly isn’t user friendly as far as I can see…I guess they’re more interested in what they’ve deemed to be a typical user rather than supporting what we want to do with our iOS devices…and I’m not happy about it. Unfortunately…they’re still better than trying to keep up Android based phones…with few exceptions getting the OS updated on those is just about impossible until the vendor and the data provider decide to get together and make updates available (although it’s possible that things have changed on that front since I last mucked about with Android devices.



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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

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> For anybody that has multiple iOS devices and limited bandwidth…this is just screwed up on Apple’s part. I know about app thinning and that’s a good thing when the apps are installed to a device…but having to do multiple downloads for an app that might be multiple GB on limited bandwidth just isn’t cutting it.

System Preferences => Sharing => Content Caching

This used to be an OS Server option, but has been rolled into the main OS.

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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

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On Feb 11, 2018, at 12:46 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On 2018-02-11 (09:33 MST), Neil Laubenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> For anybody that has multiple iOS devices and limited bandwidth…this is just screwed up on Apple’s part. I know about app thinning and that’s a good thing when the apps are installed to a device…but having to do multiple downloads for an app that might be multiple GB on limited bandwidth just isn’t cutting it.
>
> System Preferences => Sharing => Content Caching
>
> This used to be an OS Server option, but has been rolled into the main OS.

Because of app thinning, I don't know how much Content Caching on the Mac will save on bandwidth when one device is an iPhone and the other is an iPad. And the cache needs space in addition to the whatever space is needed for Apple Configurator and/or iMazing. If there's another Mac with a magnetic drive that can just act as a server, that makes it easier. I haven't upgraded to High Sierra so I don't know if Content Caching let's you pick its cache folder so it can go on an external drive.




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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

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> On Feb 11, 2018, at 12:46 PM, @lbutlr <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> On 2018-02-11 (09:33 MST), Neil Laubenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> For anybody that has multiple iOS devices and limited bandwidth…this is just screwed up on Apple’s part. I know about app thinning and that’s a good thing when the apps are installed to a device…but having to do multiple downloads for an app that might be multiple GB on limited bandwidth just isn’t cutting it.
>>
>> System Preferences => Sharing => Content Caching
>>
>> This used to be an OS Server option, but has been rolled into the main OS.
>
> Because of app thinning, I don't know how much Content Caching on the Mac will save on bandwidth when one device is an iPhone and the other is an iPad.

It may not, since the iPhone will download a thinned app and the iPad will download a thinned app, which content caching will download the full app. If you only have two devices, it probably doesn't make sense.

However, it is never going to be more data than was being downloaded before, so if you're concerned about low-bandwidth and convenience, this is the way to go.

> And the cache needs space in addition to the whatever space is needed for Apple Configurator and/or iMazing.

Not sure what you mean by that. Apple Configurator is less than a hundred MB in size.

> If there's another Mac with a magnetic drive that can just act as a server, that makes it easier. I haven't upgraded to High Sierra so I don't know if Content Caching let's you pick its cache folder so it can go on an external drive.

I don't think you can change the folder that is used, or at least not simply, but since the content cache will give the files to anything that is on your local network, for most people it will definitely save bandwidth.

But the point is that with content cache, there is no more bandwidth being used than would be used by downloading the apps into iTunes and manually managing them.


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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

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> I haven't upgraded to High Sierra so I don't know if Content Caching let's you pick its cache folder so it can go on an external drive.

You can - I have mine on an external drive, it has around 400G in the cache so spinning rust for the win!

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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

Neil Laubenthal
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Might just do that…not that it will do any good.

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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

Neil Laubenthal
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Nope…no way to specify the location of the cache…and I agree…app thinning would keep the saved content from being useful anyway.

On Feb 11, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Curtis Wilcox <[hidden email]> wrote:

Because of app thinning, I don't know how much Content Caching on the Mac will save on bandwidth when one device is an iPhone and the other is an iPad. And the cache needs space in addition to the whatever space is needed for Apple Configurator and/or iMazing. If there's another Mac with a magnetic drive that can just act as a server, that makes it easier. I haven't upgraded to High Sierra so I don't know if Content Caching let's you pick its cache folder so it can go on an external


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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

Fearghas McKay
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> On 12 Feb 2018, at 10:25, Neil Laubenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Nope…no way to specify the location of the cache…and I agree…app thinning would keep the saved content from being useful anyway.

Click on Options in the Content Caching preference Paine, the top item is Cache Location and an edit button.

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Re: App download from iPhone to iTunes

Neil Laubenthal
Yeah…didn’t look far enough. Doesn’t really help though as with app thinning an app downloaded on one device and cached to the laptop doesn’t provide the right app parts for a different device so the whole thing would get downloaded again…I doubt that caching is smart enough to get only the parts that it doesn’t already have from Apple and deliver the rest from cache…and it also uses more disk space in addition to what’s in Mobile Apps…although all of those .ipa files may be just so much bit dust at this point as nothing uses them AFAIK.


On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Fearghas Mckay <[hidden email]> wrote:

Click on Options in the Content Caching preference Paine, the top item is Cache Location and an edit button. 


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