A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

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A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

John Turner-2
I discovered an amazing graphics app that is very new and young. It is PhotoScape X and it is free. The in app purchase of about 30$ makes it a serious potential competitor with Photoshop! One capability that I really like, it can display all of your graphics in a window on your left side in very brilliant thumbnails, all you have to do to open the picture is to click on the thumbnail. It is not RAM intensive. Support is quick and excellent. The app does have one problem...there is no manual...the designers say that there will be on in the future. Oh yes, it does not have standard Mac menus, that takes a bit of getting used to if your an old dude like me. What they do have a really good set of videos onsite that will teach you anything you need to know. And yes, it is fully compatible with HIgh Sierra right now.

At the App Store!!!!!

JT aka. "The Bear" 




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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

Rick Holzgrafe

Probably a nice photo editor, but it’s not a generic replacement for Photoshop. For one (very important!) thing, it doesn’t support layers.

On 15 Sep 2017, at 3:12, John Turner wrote:

I discovered an amazing graphics app that is very new and young. It is PhotoScape X and it is free. The in app purchase of about 30$ makes it a serious potential competitor with Photoshop! One capability that I really like, it can display all of your graphics in a window on your left side in very brilliant thumbnails, all you have to do to open the picture is to click on the thumbnail. It is not RAM intensive. Support is quick and excellent. The app does have one problem...there is no manual...the designers say that there will be on in the future. Oh yes, it does not have standard Mac menus, that takes a bit of getting used to if your an old dude like me. What they do have a really good set of videos onsite that will teach you anything you need to know. And yes, it is fully compatible with HIgh Sierra right now.

At the App Store!!!!!

JT aka. "The Bear" 

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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

John Turner-2

But it will save as a TIFF which is a very important format for printing.


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Subject:  Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

Probably a nice photo editor, but it’s not a generic replacement for Photoshop. For one (very important!) thing, it doesn’t support layers.

On 15 Sep 2017, at 3:12, John Turner wrote:

I discovered an amazing graphics app that is very new and young. It is PhotoScape X and it is free. The in app purchase of about 30$ makes it a serious potential competitor with Photoshop! One capability that I really like, it can display all of your graphics in a window on your left side in very brilliant thumbnails, all you have to do to open the picture is to click on the thumbnail. It is not RAM intensive. Support is quick and excellent. The app does have one problem...there is no manual...the designers say that there will be on in the future. Oh yes, it does not have standard Mac menus, that takes a bit of getting used to if your an old dude like me. What they do have a really good set of videos onsite that will teach you anything you need to know. And yes, it is fully compatible with HIgh Sierra right now.

At the App Store!!!!!

JT aka. "The Bear" 

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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

Thomas Rohde

On 2017-09-16 at 03:01, John Turner <[hidden email]> wrote:

> But it will save as a TIFF which is a very important format for printing.

LOL, so does Preview :-D
(BTW I ought to check out whether it does CMYK … I must admit that I never tried that in PV.)

I’m a prepress/pre-media professional, I have used Pshop from version 2.5.1, and I have taught Pshop to other professionals for ~10 years … I still am far from having fathomed this awesome program.

Please load a demo version of Photoshop, check it out—30 days is enough to work through a few of those many free tutorials that are available—and then come back and tell us again how the other program is an alternative ;-)


Cordially,
Tom


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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

Kim Gammelgaard
I think this is a subject that needs more attention. 

Most people - at least those I meet - think that if you have to do something with your photos, you must have Photoshop. 

And most professionals laugh when somebody says there are substitutes or even close competitors to Photoshop, as they fail to understand that most people do not need the professional features it provides. How many even uses just a fraction of what Photoshop is capable of? 

Even Adobe knows that this idea is plain wrong, and that - again -most people do not want to pay so much - and hence sells Photoshop Elements, and there are many, many other programs that will do much better for most people, including just learning to use the more advanced features of the also free Apple Photos, which incidentally also can export any photo to a TIFF-format, even though I fail to understand why that should be important for printing. 

As I am not a professional in this context, and definitely do not want to pay the subscription fee, that is actually very reasonable, if you were living from the income that the programs can help you generate, so I am not using any Adobe products, but do a fair amount of graphical editing in other programs. 

Maybe we could have some kind of poll on this list regarding what programs people use? Apart from Apple Photos, I use Pixelmator and Affinity Photo as my regular editing tools, and for Photos, the two plugins I use the most are Photolemur and DxO Optics Pro for Photos, to name a few, that are all capable of delivering great results for most people and do not cost the same as the full package of Photoshop. 

Best regards

Kim



Den 16. sep. 2017 kl. 04.41 skrev Thomas Rohde <[hidden email]>:


On 2017-09-16 at 03:01, John Turner <[hidden email]> wrote:

But it will save as a TIFF which is a very important format for printing.

LOL, so does Preview :-D
(BTW I ought to check out whether it does CMYK … I must admit that I never tried that in PV.)

I’m a prepress/pre-media professional, I have used Pshop from version 2.5.1, and I have taught Pshop to other professionals for ~10 years … I still am far from having fathomed this awesome program.




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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

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I must admit that I am not a professional printer. I use Photoshop but I am no master at it. But I am a digital painter and I do have my paintings professionally printed. I have submitted my paintings using both apps ( the same paintings) and when they come out there was no visible difference between them. The printer who normally uses Photoshop and CMYK and TIFF files said that he was astonished at the quality of the results form PhotoScape X. Frankly, as a professional digital artist I find that this  app does all and more than I could ever desire and I own it! I do not have to subscribe to it. Oh yes, it is free and it is worthy of evaluation and use by many people.


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From: Thomas Rohde [hidden email]
Reply: TidBITS Talk [hidden email]
Date: September 15, 2017 at 10:44:14 PM
To: TidBITS Talk [hidden email]
Subject:  Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE


On 2017-09-16 at 03:01, John Turner <[hidden email]> wrote:

> But it will save as a TIFF which is a very important format for printing.

LOL, so does Preview :-D
(BTW I ought to check out whether it does CMYK … I must admit that I never tried that in PV.)

I’m a prepress/pre-media professional, I have used Pshop from version 2.5.1, and I have taught Pshop to other professionals for ~10 years … I still am far from having fathomed this awesome program.

Please load a demo version of Photoshop, check it out—30 days is enough to work through a few of those many free tutorials that are available—and then come back and tell us again how the other program is an alternative ;-)


Cordially,
Tom


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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

John Turner-2
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I completely agree! Thanks much for your input. An open discussion of this issue would be very interesting.


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From: Kim Gammelgaard [hidden email]
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Date: September 16, 2017 at 5:34:39 AM
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Subject:  Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

I think this is a subject that needs more attention. 

Most people - at least those I meet - think that if you have to do something with your photos, you must have Photoshop. 

And most professionals laugh when somebody says there are substitutes or even close competitors to Photoshop, as they fail to understand that most people do not need the professional features it provides. How many even uses just a fraction of what Photoshop is capable of? 

Even Adobe knows that this idea is plain wrong, and that - again -most people do not want to pay so much - and hence sells Photoshop Elements, and there are many, many other programs that will do much better for most people, including just learning to use the more advanced features of the also free Apple Photos, which incidentally also can export any photo to a TIFF-format, even though I fail to understand why that should be important for printing. 

As I am not a professional in this context, and definitely do not want to pay the subscription fee, that is actually very reasonable, if you were living from the income that the programs can help you generate, so I am not using any Adobe products, but do a fair amount of graphical editing in other programs. 

Maybe we could have some kind of poll on this list regarding what programs people use? Apart from Apple Photos, I use Pixelmator and Affinity Photo as my regular editing tools, and for Photos, the two plugins I use the most are Photolemur and DxO Optics Pro for Photos, to name a few, that are all capable of delivering great results for most people and do not cost the same as the full package of Photoshop. 

Best regards

Kim



Den 16. sep. 2017 kl. 04.41 skrev Thomas Rohde <[hidden email]>:


On 2017-09-16 at 03:01, John Turner <[hidden email]> wrote:

But it will save as a TIFF which is a very important format for printing.

LOL, so does Preview :-D
(BTW I ought to check out whether it does CMYK … I must admit that I never tried that in PV.)

I’m a prepress/pre-media professional, I have used Pshop from version 2.5.1, and I have taught Pshop to other professionals for ~10 years … I still am far from having fathomed this awesome program.



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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

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> On Sep 16, 2017, at 5:31 AM, Kim Gammelgaard <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Maybe we could have some kind of poll on this list regarding what programs people use?

I’ve always favored GraphicConverter for my own needs:

https://www.lemkesoft.de/en/image-editing-slideshow-browser-batch-conversion-metadata-and-more-on-your-mac/





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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

Zac Imboden
If we're going to be discussing other Photoshop replacements, I have to speak up and say Pixelmator has finally crossed that threshold for me. I'm a web developer who has used Photoshop since 1996, not as a photographers do but mostly for creating simple graphics (buttons) and cleaning up, cropping and cutting bits of digital photography. Pixelmator now supports all the things I used to do with Photoshop, including an excellent magic wand tool, layers, a reasonable export to multiple file formats, polygonal and magnetic lasso tools, and excellent blur, distortion, sharpen and color adjustment filters.

I can take a photo of a pencil, drag it into a Pixelmator window, cut out all but the pencil, adjust color, contract and brightness, then easily create a shadow of the pencil in another layer. Finally, exporting to jpeg, png or gif as needed.

Pixelmator's interface is very clean and it's tools are, I feel, very comparable to Photoshop's.



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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

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Pixelmator is one of my favorites too! I can’t wait for the new edition coming out in the fall. One more thing about PhotoScape X, is that you can create animated GIFs with it pretty simply if you want. That’s fun…I’m not sure what’s professional applications are but it is fun ! And like I said before it is pretty much free!


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Subject:  Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

If we're going to be discussing other Photoshop replacements, I have to speak up and say Pixelmator has finally crossed that threshold for me. I'm a web developer who has used Photoshop since 1996, not as a photographers do but mostly for creating simple graphics (buttons) and cleaning up, cropping and cutting bits of digital photography. Pixelmator now supports all the things I used to do with Photoshop, including an excellent magic wand tool, layers, a reasonable export to multiple file formats, polygonal and magnetic lasso tools, and excellent blur, distortion, sharpen and color adjustment filters.

I can take a photo of a pencil, drag it into a Pixelmator window, cut out all but the pencil, adjust color, contract and brightness, then easily create a shadow of the pencil in another layer. Finally, exporting to jpeg, png or gif as needed.

Pixelmator's interface is very clean and it's tools are, I feel, very comparable to Photoshop's.


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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

Derek Cross
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The trial copy of Photoshop is for seven days from it being downloaded (not 30 days).
Cheers,
Derek



> On 16 Sep 2017, at 03:41, Thomas Rohde <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On 2017-09-16 at 03:01, John Turner <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> But it will save as a TIFF which is a very important format for printing.
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> LOL, so does Preview :-D
> (BTW I ought to check out whether it does CMYK … I must admit that I never tried that in PV.)
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> I’m a prepress/pre-media professional, I have used Pshop from version 2.5.1, and I have taught Pshop to other professionals for ~10 years … I still am far from having fathomed this awesome program.
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> Please load a demo version of Photoshop, check it out—30 days is enough to work through a few of those many free tutorials that are available—and then come back and tell us again how the other program is an alternative ;-)
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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

Doug Hogg
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Does Pixelmator have any batch capabilities? For example, can it convert a whole folder full of images to a particular width and resolution for use on a website? 

I can do the above with Photoshop Elements.

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On Sep 16, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Tidbits <[hidden email]> wrote:

If we're going to be discussing other Photoshop replacements, I have to speak up and say Pixelmator has finally crossed that threshold for me. I'm a web developer who has used Photoshop since 1996, not as a photographers do but mostly for creating simple graphics (buttons) and cleaning up, cropping and cutting bits of digital photography. Pixelmator now supports all the things I used to do with Photoshop, including an excellent magic wand tool, layers, a reasonable export to multiple file formats, polygonal and magnetic lasso tools, and excellent blur, distortion, sharpen and color adjustment filters.

I can take a photo of a pencil, drag it into a Pixelmator window, cut out all but the pencil, adjust color, contract and brightness, then easily create a shadow of the pencil in another layer. Finally, exporting to jpeg, png or gif as needed.

Pixelmator's interface is very clean and it's tools are, I feel, very comparable to Photoshop's.



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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

Zeedar Marc-2

> On Sep 16, 2017, at 11:44 PM, Doug Hogg <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Does Pixelmator have any batch capabilities? For example, can it convert a whole folder full of images to a particular width and resolution for use on a website?

You can do that with Automator and Preview. Like I have a "make thumbnail" workflow I created that lets me drop in a folder of images and it creates thumbnail versions of everything.

But Photoshop's batch and macro abilities are one of its best features. Saves a lot of time if you're doing similar processing on a lot of images.

I haven't used Pixelmator enough to tell if it has batch abilities. Every time I try to use it for a real project, I run into a limitation/frustration and end up finishing the thing in Photoshop. Part of that is just experience, since I've been using Photoshop for so long (version 2, I think).


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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

Doug Hogg
Nice.

It never occurred to me to use Automator with Preview. I will give it a whirl.

:-)

Doug Hogg

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> On Sep 17, 2017, at 12:10 AM, Zeedar Marc <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> You can do that with Automator and Preview. Like I have a "make thumbnail" workflow I created that lets me drop in a folder of images and it creates thumbnail versions of everything.



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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

dianed143@comcast.net
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> somewhat lighter than medium grey.  The whole dark thing is a horrible
> anti-accessible style that I hope dies out as soon as possible.

I switched to LR a year or so because I need to do a huge photo org project and was afraid Aperture would just stop working. It’s too bad as I really like it.

I completely agree with you on the dark trend. It’s really hard to read - whoever thought grey on black was a good idea?

I cannot get into Pixelmatr. I bought that a few years ago and like someone else said, every time I try I get stuck on something dumb and give up. I have actually popped into Aperture for quick fixes. I also re-installed Graphic Converter but apparently need to buy it again. I used to use it all the time for batch conversions.


Diane


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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

Kim Gammelgaard
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I did not think about the DAM-aspect when I wrote this, but it is of course important. 
Den 18. sep. 2017 kl. 04.32 skrev gastropod <[hidden email]>:

Maybe we could have some kind of poll on this list regarding what
programs people use? 

Aperture forever! 

My workflow is a bit complex too, as we still only have a 20/2Mbit line at home and use iCloud Photos, so uploading 8 GB takes about a day (11 hours theoretically), so when I shoot using my DSLR with both bracketing (three photos at a time: one normal, one under-, and one overexposed photo) and raw format, so I need to do some housekeeping before letting the photos into Photos, which is my main DAM system now. 

I also keep my originals on a separat harddisk, mainly because of space issues, but also because I don’t want the bunch into Time Machine. I start importing into Aperture, where I add most metadata, then I reduce the number of photos, often just deleting 2 out of 3 photos before exporting into a separate folder - again on a separate disk. Then I add location data using HoudaGeo, which can also do a number of other metadata-tricks, but I rarely use it for that. 

Finally, I make a new album in Photos and import to that, letting both Time Machine and iCloud Photos do their jobs in the background. 

When that is said and done, I usually run through the photos and do some editing on say less than 10% of the photos. If I decide to use a photo later on, I usually do some more advanced editing at that point. 

One of my MUG members is a visual artist, and she is still using an old version of iPhoto, as part of her workflow is to compare photos side by side, which Photos is still not capable off. We are still hoping that Photos would catch up with such a relatively simple DAM feature that both existed in Aperture and iPhoto from day one, and I would really like to secure her photos in iCloud Photos, so I have held off going to other contenders yet (Lightroom, ON1) 

Does anyone else have this kind of comparison need and have found a solution that fits all bills ? 

Best regards

Kim



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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

Marilyn Matty
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On Sep 16, 2017, at 5:31 AM, Kim Gammelgaard <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think this is a subject that needs more attention. 

Most people - at least those I meet - think that if you have to do something with your photos, you must have Photoshop. 

I'm far from being a high end professional photo editor. I have done some RGB and CMYK editing for pay as a sideline, and I have worked for decades alongside high end photo retouchers and editors. But as someone who basically just fools around with images, I agree with Rick about the importance of layers.


And most professionals laugh when somebody says there are substitutes or even close competitors to Photoshop, as they fail to understand that most people do not need the professional features it provides. How many even uses just a fraction of what Photoshop is capable of? 

Though the editing I do now is mostly fooling around, I can't imagine not working with layers, whether it's in CMYK or RGB. Layers start out being transparent, and if desired, opacity can be controlled. You can have as many of them as you wish in PS, and merge them when you're done, changes in one layer won't affect changes in any other layer. You can use them to import and superimpose any number of other images and fool around with different sizes, filters, transparencies, color, duplicates, etc. however many times and in the each of however many layers you want. You can create however many versions of however many different layers you want. When you're done making changes to all your layers and rearranging them, you just flatten out the image; until that time your original image can be untouched. It will save hours and hours and days and days of work, organization, frustration and aggravation. The learning curve is just about zero. It opens up a whole realm of creative possibilities and fun.


Even Adobe knows that this idea is plain wrong, and that - again -most people do not want to pay so much - and hence sells Photoshop Elements, and there are many, many other programs that will do much better for most people, including just learning to use the more advanced features of the also free Apple Photos

Photoshop Elements has layers; I don't know about Photos. From what I understand, most of the free image editors do not. I agree with Rick and Thomas about Photoshop. Give the 1 month trial of it and/or Elements a whirl. You might not ever need puppet mask or vanishing point or many of the millions of other features, but there are a lot of things you might realize you need one want, especially layers.

Marilyn





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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

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> On Sep 16, 2017, at 5:31 AM, Kim Gammelgaard <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Maybe we could have some kind of poll on this list regarding what programs people use?

How about if we do a full reader poll? As with all of those, we’d need to figure out what counted as the right sort of program. For instance, Photoshop and Photos can both edit photos, but they’re very, very different sorts of apps. What sort of app should be the focus of such a survey?

cheers... -Adam



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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

Richard Rettke
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On 18 Sep 2017, at 1:14, Kim Gammelgaard [hidden email] wrote:

Does anyone else have this kind of comparison need and have found a solution that fits all bills ? 

Whether or not this solution "fits all bills" I do not know. I am very much a novice in the photo realm but like to use tools that IMHO work logically, consistently and are powerful (even though I seldom need all the power). Many years ago (about 20) I stumbled on a program named iView Media Pro. I do not remember who made it then but it eventually got bought by Microsoft, fortunately, before they ruined it, they sold it and it ended up in the hands of a company named PhaseOne which is out of the EU. The App is now named Media Pro and is one of several they handle in addition to the high end imaging products they make.

Anyway, that said, Media Pro does have the ability to compare images side by side.

It is not cheap $189 (+Vat if in Europe) but even though I am a novice and only occasional user, it does everything I want and need (and a whole lot more) out of a photo App.

Here is the link to the PhaseOne home page-> https://www.phaseone.com/en.aspx

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Re: A real Photoshop alternative…it’s new and FREE

Rick Holzgrafe
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I think I started this whole discussion by pointing out that Photoshop
offers layers, while many other graphics programs do not. Since then
I’ve seen a lot of discussion about what various people do and don’t
need in a photo editor.

The interesting word to me in all of this is “photo”. It’s fair,
since after all we are looking for replacements for Photoshop. But I
rarely edit photos as such.

I design board games, and I write apps. For both of those activities I
need to create diagrams and iconography, and I use Photoshop heavily for
both activities. I need to create shapes, fill with colors and
gradients, stack overlapping images atop each other, change the sizes
and relative locations of elements, add text, work with opacity, and
much more. Photoshop does that for me. I’ve created gameboards that
have hundreds of layers; without the layering feature, it would have
been a nightmare.

My needs and use cases are clearly different from most people’s, if
the responses on this thread are any indication. But there’s been a
call to discuss how we all use Photoshop, so this is my contribution.

Has anybody mentioned Acorn yet? It offers a surprisingly large subset
of Photoshop’s features, including the ones I need most. I haven’t
used it heavily, because I already have and am used to Photoshop, but it
will probably be my replacement when I have to abandon Photoshop. It
claims to be able to read Photoshop files but admits that some
information is lost when doing so; and it can save to Photoshop file
format. It currently costs only $29.99, and that’s purchase, not
subscribe.

More info at: https://flyingmeat.com/acorn/

— Rick Holzgrafe
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